Border Collies, Australian Shepherds, All Herding breeds, Tell Me About Yours

[pennyJo1960]

and it is is humans that decided to breed minis there now let's see all our working or herding dogs frigin ruined type to fast too many mistakes

 

[ShrekDawg]

You want a good day go to a reputable breeder Ya had to go through 6 or so pages to catch up in part show folks did not help first time a gsd was put up elongated should have not re wrote the standard look for Alsatian Dog the GSD in America is ruined by breeders that only want big bucks

Agreed andI think it depends on the lines. There are breeders breeding better dogs out there but the problem is there are soooo many different lines in the GSD. And so many people mix lines too or just import random foreign dogs cause they think it’ll impress buyers which just further complicates things. There are still good GSDs out there. Personally I think for me, a West German Working Line is best for me if I ever get one or a show/working blend. But there’s West and East German, both working and show lines, as well as DDR/Czech, American, etc. probably more. There’s even people trying to breed the Rin Tin Tin/straight back style or maybe specifically Rin Tin Tin’s relatives but that one might be a bit of a scam because I think they have exclusive rights. And there’s people breeding long coated ones or bigger ones too. There’s so many they’re practically separate breeds. The breed s far too split. And personally, I think most American line ones are far too nervy/weak nerved. Not all of course but a lot. Not as stable but the other lines have bad dogs too and of course some have horrible roach back and/or hips.

There are big splits between working and show line Labs and Goldens too as well as Border Collies and most spaniels. The spaniels are especially drastic because most of the working line ones are way smaller and have far less coat and look like a totally different breed haha and way more energy

 

[ShrekDawg]

They are normal sized Aussies. Aussies can range in size. Both of my show bred females were 70-80 pounds. Working lines can be lighter, but in general Aussies are dogs of substance.

Wow really!? I knew they were pretty big but didn’t think they were quite that big haha I thought they were closer to like 60 or at least smaller than a Golden aha he looks like a moose lol

 

[ShrekDawg]

and it is is humans that decided to breed minis there now let's see all our working or herding dogs frigin ruined type to fast too many mistakes

Don’t even get me started on mini dogs

Mini and toy and teacup everything and doodle everything and all the dang designer “breeds”!!

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

Wow really!? I knew they were pretty big but didn’t think they were quite that big haha I thought they were closer to like 60 or at least smaller than a Golden aha he looks like a moose lol

They range from 45-80 pounds generally. There is no standard for weight. Height stndards top out at 23 for males and 21 for females.

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

Don’t even get me started on mini dogs

Mini and toy and teacup everything and doodle everything and all the dang designer “breeds”!!

I don't mind the mutts so much as long as they aren't being sold as a purebred. They are mutts and should be sold as such.

I too hate mini and toys of breeds that don't have those type of classification in the breed. They are often mixed breeds, or from breeding under sized parents which isn't the healthiest of choices many times.

True Australian shepherds have been nearly ruined by this fad. People will swear they are still Australian shepherds, even the toys.

 

[centrarchid]

I am going the English Shepherd route. To date they have been valued by me as more poultry guardians at home and soon to be at work where we will be rearing thousands of free-range broilers each year. One of the pups we just produced will also be used by my son for 4-H as well as be trained to help move a small herd of sheep that will be used to manage landscape for free-range chickens.

The English Shepherds handle the cold very well, although heat and cockle-burs are tough. They train very quickly. I have made little overpasses dogs can used to get past electrified fencing that excludes bad guys like foxes and raccoons. Pups at 8 weeks of age not yet smart enough to use those overpasses, but it will not be long.

I have some to under stand why herding dogs more often than not have lots of white contrasting with the base color. It makes the dogs easier to observe in poor seeing conditions. My brindle male was nearly invisible at times why the tri-colored (black and tan with lots of white) is easy to see and discern where she is looking.

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

I am going the English Shepherd route. To date they have been valued by me as more poultry guardians at home and soon to be at work where we will be rearing thousands of free-range broilers each year. One of the pups we just produced will also be used by my son for 4-H as well as be trained to help move a small herd of sheep that will be used to manage landscape for free-range chickens.

The English Shepherds handle the cold very well, although heat and cockle-burs are tough. They train very quickly. I have made little overpasses dogs can used to get past electrified fencing that excludes bad guys like foxes and raccoons. Pups at 8 weeks of age not yet smart enough to use those overpasses, but it will not be long.

I have some to under stand why herding dogs more often than not have lots of white contrasting with the base color. It makes the dogs easier to observe in poor seeing conditions. My brindle male was nearly invisible at times why the tri-colored (black and tan with lots of white) is easy to see and discern where she is looking.

That does make sense why white collars on herding breeds is a thing. I have heard of English shepherds, but not many around here. I occasionally see some for sale. They seem similar to Australian shepherds. I will have to read up on them.

 

[centrarchid]

That does make sense why white collars on herding breeds is a thing. I have heard of English shepherds, but not many around here. I occasionally see some for sale. They seem similar to Australian shepherds. I will have to read up on them.

I think the English Shepherd figures prominently in the development of both the Border Collie and Australian Shepherd.

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

I think the English Shepherd figures prominently in the development of both the Border Collie and Australian Shepherd.

I will definitely have to read up on it. I see they have a big fluffy tail. We are partial to dogs without tails, or those with short ones here.