Breeding a Black and White Silkie???

[DragonEggs]

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Really? I know buff are hard to work with, I was mainly interested in the results of offspring from red and partridge. I'd like to know your extended opinion.

Still a bit confused about the whole how whites are like grabbing a random can thing, but maybe after I think on it awhile it will sink in.

 

[Smoky73]

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poorly

Really? I know buff are hard to work with, I was mainly interested in the results of offspring from red and partridge. I'd like to know your extended opinion.

Still a bit confused about the whole how whites are like grabbing a random can thing, but maybe after I think on it awhile it will sink in.

I do not agree it would turn out poorly, as that is precisely what I am doing. I have buff hens and a buff rooster and I also have what I consider a red rooster. All the chicks I have hatched are pretty evenly colored- buff. It all depends on what you want to get out of it. I have not hatched any real partridge this year at all, but have gotten some gorgeous buffs, and most are not too light as I often see. I purposely added the red roosters to the mix to introduce a darker color as most buffs are washed out colorwise anymore. Also was looking to get rid of the red in the combs. Both my roosters have gorgeous dark combs and skin. I do not care about having the black in the tail of the roosters, and when I get offspring that show too much black, I cull those. Some chicks have a blueish undertone, as one of the fathers does, whom I got from Bren in TX but she did not breed the bird she bought it I think she told me. The other rooster I had bought off of eggbid last year and no knowledge what his parantage is but the lady I remember her saying he was she was pretty sure from her partridge pen. One of the buff cockerels I had that is in a new home, I have been told is getting blue in it, and is looking more like a porcelain (This person owns some Porcelain as well). So it really does depend on what you want, I personally want the buff, so cull out anything that does not fit the bill, but if you want red, partridge as well and do not care you could end up with something very nice that most of us buff breeders do not get a chance to see seeing we cull out other non-conformant chicks early on.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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poorly

Really? I know buff are hard to work with, I was mainly interested in the results of offspring from red and partridge. I'd like to know your extended opinion.

Still a bit confused about the whole how whites are like grabbing a random can thing, but maybe after I think on it awhile it will sink in.

I entered a long and involved explanation that was apparently eaten while the site was under maintenance earlier

Basically breeding reds and buffs together has some issues, but it would be based more upon the specific birds involved, and might give some good results. Reds tend to have significantly more black in the wings and tail than do buffs. Breeding either red or buff to partridge, though is problematic.

Buffs and reds need the columbian and/or dark-brown genes; however, either of these is bad for partridge as it removes black from the breast.

Partridge needs the pattern gene for penciling; however, you do NOT want penciling on red or buff. Onl one copy of the pattern gene does not produce nearly as good penciling as two copies.

Partridge and red should to have mahogany, buff should not.

Buff contains one or more dilution genes that neither red nor partridge should have.

 

[DragonEggs]

Okay I see where this is going now. My idea with the red/partridge was to introduce a more vibrant red or buff color under the partridge. I guess it could still work that way but would take ALOT of work.

How would black partridge work? Would that keep the color good on the partridge?

What about red/white? If the white had some crazy color history would that pull some crazy colors?


I'm so glad I have these wonderful silkie experts to educate me! I guess I should explain, I'm interested in color variation but I also want to produce a solid colored bird of quality for show purposes every once in awhile. I have a white roo who is just STUNNING, but his toe spacing is off. He would be the foundation of my SQ flock of whites but im curious in experimentation of colr mixing.

I've seen white or splash birds come out with red freckles on their wings or shoulders. What causes that?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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For now let's leave out white, and I will start a recessive white thread to deal with that.

Partridge males are supposed ot be predominantly black. The vast majority of male silkie parrtidges are not correctly coloured; they usually have much too much red and/or gold. Silkie females are often too gold, not sufficiently brown. Having separate breeding lines for males vs females can improve the colourings.

Here are some good examples of proper partridge colouring (from Feathersite):

 

[adorable]

This is a interesting thread .. I am going to try a buff with a white and see what colors i will get out of that... Just for pets.

 

[sarah92107]

I have a wonderful white rooster but no nice white hens. I do have some really nice black hens si put then penned together. From what I understand of this post is that all the chicks will hatch white? But might end up a random color if the roo has a recessive gene and the hen has the same recessive gene. I think I need a chart.......? Is there one.

 

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[appalachianchic]

What is the probability of getting white silkies out of crossing a white with another color? I am having trouble getting white showgirls. I have two viable eggs in the incubator of showgirl, they may be partridge or white. I have a white silkie hen and if I get a white showgirl rooster, I can get more showgirls by mixing them or if I get a hen I can get a white silkie rooster for her. If I get both partridge and one is a rooster, I will be crossing it with the white silkie hen anyways to introduce the white variety in. I want to focus on the white showgirls obviously. If generation one is all color, can I cross generation two with themselves or back to white silkie to get white showgirls? I used to breed rabbits and dealt with colors and genetics and was wondering if it worked the same way?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

What is the probability of getting white silkies out of crossing a white with another color? I am having trouble getting white showgirls. I have two viable eggs in the incubator of showgirl, they may be partridge or white. I have a white silkie hen and if I get a white showgirl rooster, I can get more showgirls by mixing them or if I get a hen I can get a white silkie rooster for her. If I get both partridge and one is a rooster, I will be crossing it with the white silkie hen anyways to introduce the white variety in. I want to focus on the white showgirls obviously. If generation one is all color, can I cross generation two with themselves or back to white silkie to get white showgirls? I used to breed rabbits and dealt with colors and genetics and was wondering if it worked the same way?

I don;t really know genetics for anything except chickens, but I see others say that they understand [horse/cat/dog/rabbit/etc.] genetics quite well, and the complexity of chicken genetics throws them. One significant difference is that in birds, the females are ZW and males are ZZ. In mammals females are XX and males are XY.

If you get a white bird from crossing a white with a non-white, the non-white carries one copy of recessive white.