BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

[gjensen]

Geoge-- I'm not sure what your point is-- are you saying that the ss today are not decended from the imports from England long ago??? So that reading The Sussex by the first pres of the UK group is useless??

It is not possible for any breed or variety to stay exactly the same when it is moved to another location. Many factors go into the survival of a breed or varity. I t can mean adding local blood, to selecting for egg production instead of meat production-- what ever the owner/breeder fancies.

SO I am still not clear about what you are trying to say.

Arielle, you never get what I am saying. I am not a good communicator, but do not assume what I am saying to be so negative.

What I said was that the original Sussex fowl does not exist anymore. Until you figure that part out, you will not get what I said. I was encouraging a little history on the breed. You have to go a little farther back than what you have.

I conceded to myself that in reality the original breed that I referred to is possibly best considered a different breed altogether.

Take it how you want. I never said that the SS was not imported here, or that any record of it is not valid. Never mentioned anything about the first pres or UK Group. I never said anything bad about the breed or it's history. Nothing negative, or argumentative.

Sussex is a bird that I am interested in. Along with the Dorking, I think they are an important breed. Wish there was more good examples here. I like them.

 

[hellbender]

I have found a few people on BYC with DC that lay well-- they don't have SQ and the birds look much different than SQ. I would buy from those people if I wanted DC.

Technically my SS lay too many eggs for a sussex. THe hatchery effect apparently. Sussex are supposed to be moderate layers for a dual purpose breed that is meant to be primarily a meat breed.

For meat quality (and eggs) you would be far better off to buy from a hatchery. You can order all cockerels very cheaply..dirt cheap, raise them up and do your thing. You will not be disappointed. Else, you could cross a couple or three of your SS to a good looking Dark Cornish cock and you would be quite happy with that as a grand meat bird and a reasonably good layer.

The Dark Cornish hens are excellent broods too. If my NNs weren't so broody, I would have 8 or 10 Dark Cornish hens floating about.

I have found a few people on BYC with DC that lay well-- they don't have SQ and the birds look much different than SQ. I would buy from those people if I wanted DC.

Technically my SS lay too many eggs for a sussex. THe hatchery effect apparently. Sussex are supposed to be moderate layers for a dual purpose breed that is meant to be primarily a meat breed.

Cornish is a breed that I wish would not have evolved to the extremes that it has today. I find them much more useful, able to naturally mate, and have the agility they would have had before. One of the few breeds that I prefer the hatchery examples over the exhibition strains.

George, to the extent that I've never seen a SOP Cornish in the flesh, I still agree with your point, based upon what I've read about the SOP birds and the fact that I have been around the hatchery DC for decades and I actually like them very much.

 

[BGMatt]

 Cornish is a breed that I wish would not have evolved to the extremes that it has today. I find them much more useful, able to naturally mate, and have the agility they would have had before. One of the few breeds that I prefer the hatchery examples over the exhibition strains.

There are quite a few excellent Cornish out there that reproduce naturally and grow at a good rate. Real stuff not hatchery. Just have to dig around and find the good breeders. I recommend Ed & Shawna Smith for Cornish.

 

[Arielle]

Quote: George you now have me completely turned in circles. lol

 

[gjensen]

There are quite a few excellent Cornish out there that reproduce naturally and grow at a good rate. Real stuff not hatchery. Just have to dig around and find the good breeders. I recommend Ed & Shawna Smith for Cornish.

That reference was not put down anything, just preference. I like the Orientals, and their athleticism, so I prefer them in their more primitive type.

I am sure that many are pleased with where they have come to, and their preference would be just as valid. They certainly have more flesh and an attractive carcass.

 

[BGMatt]

 That reference was not put down anything, just preference. I like the Orientals, and their athleticism, so I prefer them in their more primitive type.

 I am sure that many are pleased with where they have come to, and their preference would be just as valid. They certainly have more flesh and an attractive carcass.

Oh I know, just slapping down the notion that a standard Cornish can't reproduce naturally. There's enough hate on this site (in general) for standard bred birds that I didn't want anyone to get the wrong idea.

 

[Arielle]

Quote: When I was talking with Walt LEonard some time ago-- he said his stock are poor layers. WHen we looked at a cornish at the Northeast show, it looked like it could get the job done. NOT the same as the corish cross at all-- very different body type.

 

[hellbender]

There are quite a few excellent Cornish out there that reproduce naturally and grow at a good rate. Real stuff not hatchery. Just have to dig around and find the good breeders. I recommend Ed & Shawna Smith for Cornish.

Thank you for setting me straight!!!

 

[hellbender]

Oh I know, just slapping down the notion that a standard Cornish can't reproduce naturally. There's enough hate on this site (in general) for standard bred birds that I didn't want anyone to get the wrong idea.

Matt, I don't see where there's 'hate' on this site. Is that like saying I'm prejudice because I don't like a certain black politician?

Where do you see the hate..please point some of it out.

Thanks

RON

 

[BGMatt]

Matt, I don't see where there's 'hate' on this site.   Is that like saying I'm prejudice because I don't like a certain black politician?

Where do you see the hate..please point some of it out.

Thanks

RON

Not so much in this thread but if you look around the site you'll see people making comments about how the standard only matters for show, or well bred stock can't be productive, breeders that breed to the standard don't care about productivity they only care about pretty feathers. Basically just ignorance as most of us in this thread know, but always worth mentioning.