BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

[JRNash]

Relocating snakes would be like relocating mosquitos. Makes NO sense to me. People pick and choose which part of the ecological chain they want to preserve. I'm for conserving things that DON'T compete or eat me.

 

[hellbender]

Relocating snakes would be like relocating mosquitos. Makes NO sense to me. People pick and choose which part of the ecological chain they want to preserve. I'm for conserving things that DON'T compete or eat me.

What took so long to build that highway was NOT the horrific steep mountains so much as PITA and every other idiotic bunch kept WV locked up in court over all sorts of critters...including the Rattlers, Hellbenders, small blue dry land crayfish, etc.

Hellbender...http://www.nature.org/newsfeatures/...ls/amphibians/hellbender-salamander-facts.xml

 

[JRNash]

Just got through checking on the flock for the last (not) time today they just turned 6 weeks and are growing great.
I have to admit to being a little skeptical when gjensen made the comment a while back that I would be able to tell which roosters to keep and to cull at an early age. He was right. I'm allready seeing characteristics that I want to keep AND cull. The ones that stick out the most to me are my Dark Cornish and white giants.

 

[JRNash]

My white rocks move to fast to get a good eyeball on.lol

 

[JRNash]

dust bath time

 

[gjensen]

Just got through checking on the flock for the last (not) time today they just turned 6 weeks and are growing great.
I have to admit to being a little skeptical when gjensen made the comment a while back that I would be able to tell which roosters to keep and to cull at an early age. He was right. I'm allready seeing characteristics that I want to keep AND cull. The ones that stick out the most to me are my Dark Cornish and white giants.

You cannot see everything young. You can see some "cull able" offenses young. You can see a lot young, but not it all young.

 

[gjensen]

Relocating snakes would be like relocating mosquitos. Makes NO sense to me. People pick and choose which part of the ecological chain they want to preserve. I'm for conserving things that DON'T compete or eat me.

In what ways do they compete with us? They certainly do not eat us?

I do not call it preservation. That is not my job. I do call it responsible stewardship,

 

[gjensen]

The city folk in Tucson call to have the Diamondbacks removed from their yards, and animal control has a habit of releasing them down here where I live. Not good! We had to lodge formal complaints to get them to stop. Their initial response was, "We didn't realize so many people lived down that way since you have such large parcels of land." Seriously? All the cars driving by weren't a hint? Or the school buses? I guess that's why they began releasing at odd hours of the day and night.

Anyway...we've had one Black King snake living behind my wood shop that I left alone because he ate the rattlesnakes. I think he might have moved on though because the prairie dogs are suddenly moving into my backyard where the chickens range.

I guess I need to go back to worrying about rattlesnakes.

It does not make any sense to relocate W. Diamondbacks. They are numerous. A dime per dozen. A Tiger Rattlesnake would make more sense where you were, but only in certain settings.

 

[JRNash]

You cannot see everything young. You can see some "cull able" offenses young. You can see a lot young, but not it all young.

Im seeing a big difference in growth rates, feathering, and body shape in the breeds Ive purchased. Now is this typical of hatchery stock,or is it the natural to the breeds I've selected? White rocks,white giants,and dark cornish

 

[gjensen]

Gjensen, we agree to disagree on this topic. Recently a spectacled cobra killed it's owner and escaped in the dallas area. As far as i know its still loose. Zoos loose control of animals all the time and they have vast resources. IMO there is no justification for private citizens to have animals in their possession that are such a danger to the public. Animals follow their nature.IMO that's where they belong. I DON'T go around killing every snake I see. AS LONG AS I SEE THEM. From the comments I've read I know YOU are NOT one of the nut jobs. IMO there are too many irresponsible people with access to exotic wildlife often with fatal consequences

It is not your place to make those decisions. Our opinions should not (though they sometimes do) decide how I live. I believe that responsible citizens should be able to work with such animals for a variety of reasons. In some fields, as much comes to be known from private efforts as public.

It could be said in the near future that for the sake of public safety, you will lose the right to keep poultry. You would argue (and you would be right) that you could conduct yourself in a responsible manner.

I do sympathize with the sentiment. I was bothered by the direction of the hobby and trade decades ago. There are plenty of people that cannot responsibly care for a hamster, much less a potentially dangerous animal.

I would have always agreed that safety was a concern, and verifiable responsibility should be required. It does not take a rocket scientist to contain a serpent. A program similar to what falconers participate in. And never in a city or town. Not even in a dwelling place. In a secure unattached building, and the building itself secured. Then some zones should be excluded. The cost could have been imposed on the keepers. I would have paid a large sum. That does limit the accessibility. It also would not be irresponsible to limit the trade. The animals should be less accessible.

The business has a number of problems that can and should be solved.