BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

Right, it depends on which kind of white it is.

If recessive white, chances are high for either black, mostly black with some brown showing or even a very rough basic dark cornish pattern. None will be white.

if dominant white(and pure for it) then all chicks will come out cream or cream with random little black spots, maturing out to either solid white, white with random black feathers, white with some 'dust cast', maybe some roosters will start white then get some brown on their pyle zones. Breeding from those can eventually lead to 'white laced red' if you breed for the dark cornish color pattern.

edited to add- didnt catch there was more post... if solid whites is your goal.. solid black birds are very helpful with this goal. Practically all clean white birds are based on solid black. So if you see a black bird with type you like, do not be afraid to get it especially if yours prove to be dominant white. The reasoning is dominant white is 'weak' at covering up brown/red/gold pigments.. that is how you get the wlr pattern with it. So using black chickens will help with making solid blacks x dominant white= pure white chickens.

Recessive white is better at covering up both black and gold pigments but still, many find that putting it over a black chicken makes for cleaner, crisper white.

Lastly.... the answers above are a good general rule for poultry. However games, including orientals often have genes and other things that can seem to break all rules. So I would not be terribly surprised if this cross throws all or some chicks of completely different color(s) than written above due to possible surprises lurking beneath the asil's white.

ps thanks for the kind words, hellbender ;)
 
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@ bramblefir, I'd like o end up with a white Cornish type,witha little more of the game attributes. I recently lost 21 birds in one night to some as yet unknown predator. The only thing to survive were my 12 geese, 3 white giants and 5 outof seven dark cornish

Man, that's a bad hit and I feel badly for you. I feel pretty secure with my system but I KNOW, even with all the precautions I take, I'm not Immune to chicken disaster.

My greatest potential chicken killers are likely the dogs that protect them (and our house). If we ever let down our guard and failed to lock up every chicken house, the dogs would have a field day before we could stop them.

Again ...very sorry.

RON

Edited for spelling, says the blind man.
 
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It is a partially dominant trait - relative feathering depends on how many copies of the gene a chicken has. Usually, the "naked neck" gene allele is represented as N, and the feathered version of the gene (wild type) is represented as n.

NN (homozygous) = tiny bowtie (completely naked neck is less common) - I got 6 of these out of 15
Nn (heterozygous) = big bowtie in front, naked neck in back  - I got 8 of these out of 15
nn (wild type) = fully feathered - I got 1 of these out of 15

It's very handy to have genotype that is visible when you may want to select for it.

NN x NN = 100% NN
NN x Nn = 50% NN + 50% Nn
Nn x Nn = 25% NN + 50% Nn + 25% nn (fully feathered)
NN x nn = 100% Nn
Nn x nn = 50% Nn + 50% nn (fully feathered)

In the above, the nn could be either a fully feathered "Naked Neck" or a completed different breed - similar result, as I understand. 

So there are a few different ways I could have gotten the chicks I received, depending on how the breeders at the hatchery manage their breeding. Some folks manage Naked Necks like a breed, but others use them as broilers if they are not breeding their own meat birds (including a lot around here - it's a very popular chicken breed that is asked for by name at farmers markets). I believe Ideal is oriented toward the latter, based on what some other folks who got Naked Neck chicks from them (and I knew this going in).

Perhaps draye or DesertChic could elaborate further, they have more experience. (Just ask draye how many eggs he set recently!!!). I just zread a lot, teach human genetics, and have baby chicks.:D

- Ant Farm 
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Very handy chart on Naked Neck breeding. I've been looking the net for something like that.

What I got from mine was about 50/50 on my chicks.
Out of the 91 chicks that survived 48 were naked necked and 43 were fully feathered.

The roosters that I used were Blue Jersey Giant ( fully feathered of course), there were four Naked Neck roosters ( all in different runs), 3 of them had big bibs ( bow ties) and 1 of them had a medium sized bib ( I think it might would be considered big in terns of nakedness). On the hen side mostly all were naked neck. I did have 10 Welsummer hens but I think it was only two or three of them that was laying and there were only six of their eggs set.

So I guess this could be considered .50/50 hatch.
 
Thanks guys,I have installed an electronic fence but I'm still paranoid. I also procured some O'Shamo and m on the waiting list for some standard white Malay. There seems to be a little historical confusion on whether it was an asil or malay in the makeup of the cornish. If I can keep the predators at bay I should have a good idea in 4 yrs. The predator attack has helped me settle on the breed I wish to work with, LF cornish.I'd like to see tighter feathering than what my hatchery birds have,a little more of an erect posture,but still retain the width of back and breast.I also picked up some " show quality "barred rock.The eggs are massive
 
@ bramblefir, I'd like o end up with a white Cornish type,with a little more of the game attributes. I recently lost 21 birds in one night to some as yet unknown predator. The only thing to survive were my 12 geese, 3 white giants and 5 out of seven dark cornish
Yee-OUCH! Twenty-one in one night? Electric fence is the way to go if what hit you is big (in my case, it was a black bear and her cub and they got eleven in just a few minutes) but electric fences do nothing against aerial attack (hawks, eagles, owls) or those (*BLEEP!*) coons. I've mentioned Aseels and Shamos to hubby, but when he saw pics of them he asked what he'd done to deserve that. LOL He honestly thinks muscovies or adolescent guineas look better than Shamos or Aseels. He thinks they look too much like dinosaurs (which I think makes them cool looking).

My sympathies - that is a huge loss.

ETA: I've taken the eggs off the turner, added water to the humidity trays, and as per Luanne's instructions the incubator stays shut until Wednesday morning. There are 12 Wyandotte eggs and 15 Meaties eggs in there - here's hoping!
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Good luck:) i only found 5 bodies. One a 6# cx was eaten from tail up to breast. A few feathers and that was it. I just candled eggs, had to remove one asil egg ( blood ring )that leaves 2 asil, 9 shamo and 12 Br's
 
Thanks guys,I have installed an electronic fence but I'm still paranoid. I also procured some O'Shamo and m on the waiting list for some standard white Malay. There seems to be a little historical confusion on whether it was an asil or malay in the makeup of the cornish. If I can keep the predators at bay I should have a good idea in 4 yrs. The predator attack has helped me settle on the breed I wish to work with, LF cornish.I'd like to see tighter feathering than what my hatchery birds have,a little more of an erect posture,but still retain the width of back and breast.I also picked up some " show quality "barred rock.The eggs are massive


I lost an entire flock of Jersey Giants about a year and a half ago, since then, I have gone with the Fort Knox Plan, including an electric fence and wire roof panels. I've lost a few birds since, but none to predators. Live and learn.
I have a small group of barred rocks, 1 hatchery, and 5 from a local breeder, the size difference is amazing. They are egg laying machines of XL eggs.
By far, my best egg layers are golden sex links. They are also egg machines, but their eggs are jumbo++, often pushing 80 grams each.

EDIT: Due to some posts I've read on this forum by some unmentioned "enablers", my next project is Muscovy ducks. Before I run out and get some ducks though, I am in the planning stages of a SECURE living area with a cleanable pond. My biggest problem here is coyotes, bobcats, raccoons, hawks and owls, not to mention my own dogs, who are the guilty parties on my Jersey Giant flock.
 
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I'm very pleased to make a progress report! Ariel's dog IKE (which is actually MY dog IKE) made his off-leash debut around chickens about an hour ago. It was very cool this late morning, about 60* F and I had a bit of concern that the coolness might interfere with the training he's been getting but he did great. Not to say he didn't give them a hard look a couple times before he went off to parts unknown for a while but it's the first real exercise he's had since he got here and there was nothing he could get to and bother except the POA-draft ponies and I give the dog more credit than that.

Anyhow, I'm really happy with his progress but not fool enough to think he's ready to fly SOLO for quite some time..

 
I'm very pleased to make a progress report! Ariel's dog IKE (which is actually MY dog IKE) made his off-leash debut around chickens about an hour ago. It was very cool this late morning, about 60* F and I had a bit of concern that the coolness might interfere with the training he's been getting but he did great. Not to say he didn't give them a hard look a couple times before he went off to parts unknown for a while but it's the first real exercise he's had since he got here and there was nothing he could get to and bother except the POA-draft ponies and I give the dog more credit than that.

Anyhow, I'm really happy with his progress but not fool enough to think he's ready to fly SOLO for quite some time..


He is really beautiful! I love big, stocky, strong dogs. I hope he continues to impress you with his behavior.
 

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