Breeding Pheasants

[Tony K T]

Dogs,cats and horses are no where near being endangered.Too many pheasant species are already on the list.The cross breeding needs to stop now to preserve these species or they will be lost forever.It seems that everyone has the same answer"they're their birds and they can do as they please".This is they the birds are in danger now.If they enjoy their birds,then why do they feel the need to change them?Again 1 breeding season of crossbreed chicks wipes out 7 generations.Isn't that enough to stop the cross breeding?I've been raising pheasants for over 30 years and in the last 10 years or so,there has been countless variations of golden mutations.So what do you think happens to the originals birds?They will all be gone before long.I am glad that I have the oppurtunity to have raised these birds in true form.I am sorry that my grandson will never see any pure birds,besides mine when he becomes an adult,I think that's just a down right shame.All the hard work many avriculturist have put into these birds wil go to waste.
I'm sure everyone has heard of the dodo bird!And I'm positive no one and I mean no one has seen one.That's where the pheasants are heading.
Thank god for the APWS and all the other galliforme clubs are here to preserve the few birds they have,
In N.H.,Tony.

 

[Lophura]

Its not like he's going to go into the birds natural habitat and release a bunch of crossbred birds. If he wants to experiment then I say by all means let him do what he wants. The species isnt going to die off because some people choose to crossbreed. Without crossbreeding we wouldnt have all these diverse breeds that we have today. What you are saying is we shouldnt have bred dogs because the gray wolf is an endangered species and it will some how mess them up, and we shouldnt have bred cats because one day they might magically destroy the african cats genetic makeup. I am not trying to sound rude, i just didnt like the way you both made it seem like he was ignorant for asking his question. I for one see no problem with it, he isnt a conservationist so he's not going to be claiming they are purebred birds, why keep one lonely bird when you can get him a family. And what does any of this have to do with ipads, iphones, xboxes, and crap? You do know that computers are technology too, and you're using it to force your opinion on byc. I dont think its next generation with the problem, I think its the old one is to stuck in there ways to realize that their way isnt the only way.

Pick up a science book or two before posting your incoherent ramblings, my 8 year old can come up with a better rebuttal than this. Ntsees got it right. I was referring the generation sitting on their butts, playing video games and oblivious to the natural world around them. I'm not that old, so I can include my generation with that as well and have no problem doing so. We care so little about the natural world, but want to think we do. How many know a grebe species went extinct in the last 24 months? An entire species gone from earth FOREVER and not one mention in the media, but we will wait in line for two weeks for the next piece of crap gadget and it makes front page news.

Dan

 

[MrNappy]

Hey i have a weird question, say if he did do a Gold and Lady Amherst mix and the child is 75% Gold to 25% Lady (which it is). Then what if he bred it with another 75% to 25%, would it be 50% or could it get a recessive gene and become 75%>25%? Then it would be 90% Gold to 10% Lady. Then eventually could the prodigy become a purebred or would the 90% need a 100% to make pure gold? (So basically try to answer that complex question (?) if you can't then can a 90% Gold mix with another 90% to make 100%? Or, does it have to be 90% to 100%? OR, does it have to be 100% to 100%?)

 

[Ntsees]

Hey i have a weird question, say if he did do a Gold and Lady Amherst mix and the child is 75% Gold to 25% Lady (which it is). Then what if he bred it with another 75% to 25%, would it be 50% or could it get a recessive gene and become 75%>25%? Then it would be 90% Gold to 10% Lady. Then eventually could the prodigy become a purebred or would the 90% need a 100% to make pure gold? (So basically try to answer that complex question (?) if you can't then can a 90% Gold mix with another 90% to make 100%? Or, does it have to be 90% to 100%? OR, does it have to be 100% to 100%?)

This is my understanding but if someone is a genetic expert, please feel free to correct me. The numbers in genetics is not always clear-cut, but more of an average (similar to the results when someone tries to repeat Mendel's pea experiment). Let's say you breed a pure specimen to a hybridized specimen. Technically, we would say that it's 50% pure but in reality, if you were to really genetically analyze the offspring, it might be 49% or 51% pure. And if by some miracle that you did get a 100% percent (you have a better chance winning the lottery), it would be indistinguishable from it's siblings and so you wouldn't know which one it is anyway. Even if you got it down to 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% pure, it's still a hybrid. Once a hybrid, always a hybrid.

 

[Tony K T]

I am no genetic expert or any kind of expert by no means,but if you breed a 100% bird to a 100% bird,you get a 100% bird.This is the easiest math and what we are trying to promote.Why do people always feel the need to change what mother nature created?All pheasants are beautiful birds and deserve to be left as they were created.I don't believe there is any other mutation you can create that someone else hasn't already tried.Please keep them pure so we can enjoy them for many years to come.
In N.H.,Tony.

 

[wildlifeartist1]

What if you breed a Copper/Reeves X Silver/Swinhoe Male with a Female Golden/Amherst what do you get?

 

[destinduck]

Being a BYC educator such as Tony we would call it a hybrid. I might also call it a joke.

I might also call it a troll. (hope not). I do think Ntsees said it best though wildlifeartist1.

 

[wildlifeartist1]

I have pics

 

[MrNappy]

This is my understanding but if someone is a genetic expert, please feel free to correct me. The numbers in genetics is not always clear-cut, but more of an average (similar to the results when someone tries to repeat Mendel's pea experiment). Let's say you breed a pure specimen to a hybridized specimen. Technically, we would say that it's 50% pure but in reality, if you were to really genetically analyze the offspring, it might be 49% or 51% pure. And if by some miracle that you did get a 100% percent (you have a better chance winning the lottery), it would be indistinguishable from it's siblings and so you wouldn't know which one it is anyway. Even if you got it down to 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% pure, it's still a hybrid. Once a hybrid, always a hybrid.

I don't have any, don't worry.

 

[wildlifeartist1]

How do I post pics
Thanks