"Broody hen" section in my coop....is my idea sound or should I go another route

Hens have been hatching eggs and raising chicks with the flock since they were domesticated several thousand years ago. The ancient Egyptians incubated eggs and raised the chicks themselves. I don’t know how long people have been isolating hens when incubating or when raising chicks, that may have been part of the domestication process. They all work. We all have different experiences, set-ups personalities, and lifestyles. We all do it differently. If you ever get the opinion on here that there is only one way to do something and that every other way is wrong, get a second opinion. One of the confusing parts of having chickens is that so many different things work that there is no one clear cut way to do much of anything. Your problem is deciding which way you want to go.

I have never isolated a hen to hatch eggs, but I have moved a broody hen from one nest to another. So far, always successfully. That could change the next time I try it.

A broody hen mostly lives off of stored fat when they are on the nest. If you have ever butchered a laying hen you’ll see they have a lot of fat stored up, a lot more than a cockerel or rooster. They still need to eat, drink, and defecate but they can go a long time without leaving the nest. Use that to your advantage when you move one.

Move a broody at night with as little light and commotion as possible, well after she has settled in for the night. It’s best to do this before you give her any eggs in case she will not accept the move, but use fake eggs or sacrificial eggs for this. If she has already started a clutch that you want to hatch, move those eggs but realize there is some risk. Build your new nest so you can lock her in that nest. Make it as dark as you can but don’t set it up where it can become an oven and cook her. Leave some ventilation. Leave her in there all the next day, either letting her out just before dark to see if she wants to take her daily constitutional or even wait until the next morning to let her out. She’ll be OK either way.

The area you move her to needs to be totally enclosed so she cannot go back to her old nest. The area outside the nest needs to be big enough for food, water, and for her to poop. A broody hen knows to not poop in her nest but she does not know to not poop in her food or water. You may be changing those out fairly often so give yourself access. I don’t know what kinds of feeders or waterers you plan to use so I can’t tell you how much extra space you need, but it’s not much.

You need to leave her locked in there so she can’t leave for a few days, though each hen is different. When you let her out do it on a day you can be around to see where she goes when she leaves that area. Some hens will return to their original nest or some will go to the new nest. If your purpose is to keep other hens out of her nest, don’t ever let her out until after the hatch.

Other people regularly move hens using a totally different method. I’m not trying to say you have to do it this way, just that it has worked for me.

Some people have multiple broodies at the same time, either on different nests with different hatch dates or all sharing the same eggs and chicks and it works out great. I’ve had two broodies on different nests fight over eggs that had just started internal pip and chirping at Mama. Half the eggs were destroyed. I don’t let two broodies share the same area now.

I also like larger nests for broodies, but I haven’t noticed eggs getting broken in smaller nests. We all see different things. It is pretty common for the first chicks that hatch to climb up on Mama’s back while waiting for the later eggs to hatch. When I had a hen hatch in a cat litter bucket (the bucket the litter comes in, not the litter bin) the hen was so close to the side that when chicks fell off they totally missed the nest and hit the floor. It did not hurt the chicks, I’ve seen a hen get her chicks to jump out of a 10’ high hay loft and they were fine, but I had to toss several chicks back in her nest until the hatch was over, then I retired that nest.
 
Ridgerunner, I am trying to provide an understanding with respect to how the animals think. That will enable keeper to avoid losses when pushing birds too hard. Success can comes in shades of gray where advice I provide takes into consideration efforts to optimize. Success can mean 1 chick to 20 chicks surviving. I strive for consistency with numbers in the range of 8 to 10. Simply stating moving is not sufficient; distance also important.
 
No, unfortunately I cannot let them free roam outside with the rest of the chickens as our predator situation including some tough cats will be the demise of the chicks. Ultimately this house will be used for just my broody moms and our personal broods but for now it needs to be dual purpose. So if I am getting this right I either need to get the hen to her broody area as soon as she goes into "lay" which I am assuming is the first sign that she does not want to leave the box. I am afraid if I let them just brood in the laying area of my coop then all of the other birds will become a major hazard to the chicks including my few roosters. Will mom take care of this issue? My laying boxes are going to be on a shelf all at one level about 18-20 inches off the ground with drop door fronts and an open pathway back (pretty much the Storeys guide to raising chicken diagram) sized at 12x12x14. I am assuming that this is an unsuitable size for the process.
 
When hen of interest for use as a broody comes into lay, she simply is laying eggs and ideally placing them in a desired (for you) location. Mom will not be reliable when it comes to keeping other birds from messing with her nest, especially before she becomes broody.

Cats are not always a problem, especially if hen has a say in the matter. Sometimes even rooster will back her up against cats.

Nest size will be fine. The elevated nature is fine until brood hatches, then you will need to be concerned about where they stay at night. I use milk crates that are elevated while clutch is filled out and incubated. Upon hatch the milk crate is placed on the ground and laid on its side so hen can bring brood into it at night and between feedings if confined. Protection on three sides can provide advantages against critters that might otherwise try to steal chicks after dark.

Do you have a dog about? Such could help hen with chicks immensely.
 
Ok, that makes sense and I can see how it will work for my layout and coop situation. Let me ask this...Once the brood hatches if I leave the original nest box where they were incubated by mom on the shelf and place some additional three sided facilities on the ground will the hen naturally adopt those willingly? I am sure they have more sense for safety and protection then people give credit but then again. If I have some compatibility issues will she willingly stay with the chicks and let me move them all to another secure area? If I have not already said so I do appreciate the effort and help. This is all quite exciting. I raised them when I was a child but we never had any go broody and only had three. I am currently restoring and should have completed my dads old brooder that he bought some 20 years ago. Kind of funny because in general he is a penny pinching cheap ---- and I always tease him about it but oddly enough he bought a decent incubator. They are on version 2 of it now but it would cost me about 800 to get it today.
 
Ridgerunner, thank you for your insight, history and personal experiences. I am quite glad I joined this forum, I won't lie it was easy to find since almost every question I googled one of the first few listed results was from Backyard Chickens
smile.png
. Hopefully we can return the favor of helping other fellow members soon.
 
Ok, that makes sense and I can see how it will work for my layout and coop situation.  Let me ask this...Once the brood hatches if I leave the original nest box where they were incubated by mom on the shelf and place some additional three sided facilities on the ground will the hen naturally adopt those willingly?  I am sure they have more sense for safety and protection then people give credit but then again.  If I have some compatibility issues will she willingly stay with the chicks and let me move them all to another secure area?  If I have not already said so I do appreciate the effort and help.  This is all quite exciting.  I raised them when I was a child but we never had any go broody and only had three.  I am currently restoring and should have completed my dads old brooder that he bought some 20 years ago.  Kind of funny because in general he is a penny pinching cheap ---- and I always tease him about it but oddly enough he bought a decent incubator.  They are on version 2 of it now but it would cost me about 800 to get it today.  


Once chicks hatch you will see increased flexibility in the hen's behavior. She will readily adopt another container / site (3-sided facility) close to the nest for night roosting brood. Sometimes she will prefer a corner of the pen. I like use original nest because it looks like what she is looking for and it makes it easier to keep hen with brood away from pen perimeter. Broody hens with chicks are particularly vulnerable to predators that reach or dig in from side of pen. My pens over broody pens with chicks are setup so overturned nest are in the middle of the pen. On the rare night a raccoon or fox tries to get at chickens within, the birds are out of easy reach. I also have oriented so contents of nest easy to spot at a glance with a flashlight which is important when a dozen or so broods must be checked each night. Also make so location hen stays in at night is elevated above where water might collect from heavy rain events.

Once chicks hatched, and even up to two days prior, the hen will be bonded to them and can be moved about as a group very well.




How many chicks do you intend to rear annually? I always overshoot but you must take into consideration what you can actually raise past the point of the broody hen's investment. I would even attempt a brood outside to test your predator assumptions. I rear broods every year on the front porch.

What breed of hen will be serving as broody? Not all equal to that task.
 
We will have some Buff O's and Dominiques that might, I know it is hit or miss and they are coming from Murray McMurray and I don't know their breeding strategy or if they even have one. We missed out on the "finer" places that we wanted to deal with (not saying McMurray is bad and I have read a lot of good) as we were going to originally start the house first but decided to do the 4h barn and chicken coop instead....we have our priorities right. The ones I expect to be broody strong mothers are the Old English type game that my closest neighbor (2-3 miles away
lol.png
) is giving us. We will have to give the outdoors thing a shot because honestly I think it will happen anyways as they will free range every day. Our immediate fenced area is about 5 acres with about 2500 more around us.
 
The ganes if what I think they are will be very good for job. I would pen those to be broody away from each other for sure. I have close to a dozen games that will be broody within the next 28 days.
 
As in don't let the games brood in the common area ever as it will create a problem? Or do you mean if I have a separate brood area keep two broody games away from each other?
 

New posts New threads Active threads

Back
Top Bottom