Brown Wing ??

[SimoneG]

I am not impressed with the Brown Wing, give me a BS any day.

@KsKingBee so its not just wild wing pattern purple? there's a whole new mutation called brown wing?

 

[Midnightman14]

I am not impressed with the Brown Wing, give me a BS any day.

I think that's most people's attitude towards them, at least those who I have spoken to. With some colors like Opal, mocha, platinum, cameo, bronze, purple, jade, indigo, hazel, etc. you would barely be able to tell the difference between brown wing and bs birds.

 

[Midnightman14]

@KsKingBee so its not just wild wing pattern purple? there's a whole new mutation called brown wing?

Yes it technically is a new pattern mutation.

 

[Dany12]

Old mutation (at least 10 years) but newly recognized by UPA.

 

[Dany12]

 

[Rosa moschata]

Brown-Wing was one of the "new peafowl" -- along with Indigo -- on Clifton Nicholson, Jr.'s website before it went down for updating. This is the breeder who created Peach, and also was one of the first to work with Purple and Bronze. He was working on some other combinations at that time, including Purple-Midnight, and something involving Charcoal. He and I emailed a bit back and forth a few years back -- see the Combining Colors and Inheritance of Peach threads I started here -- and he said what he'd do is look at two birds and imagine combining their traits. So, he'd cross birds of different colors, then breed the offspring together until something interesting came about, then selecting and reproducing that which he found interesting. That's how he got Peach by crossing Purple and Cameo, but he wasn't aware of the crossover mechanism that made it possible to have two different mutations on the same Z chromosome.

Brown-Wing might not be a single mutation, but one of the "interesting" results Clinton got from throwing different colors together. Or, instead, it could be something he selected over many generations, like one can do when creating a bantam version of a standard-sized chicken breed. So crossing Brown-Wing into other colors and patterns might not be as simple as you expect, since they may be either a strain, or the result of several color mutations together that cancel each other out everywhere except on the wings. I don't know.

Oh, and those other colors coming out are almost certainly the result of combining color mutations. Taupe, I've heard, is genetically Opal-Purple. And the other pale "new colors" might be Opal-Cameo or Opal-Peach. It's a shame they've been given names that create the illusion that they're novel singular mutations, rather than the result of putting two or more color mutations together. This will make for confusion when other breeders try and turn them into Silver-Pieds, or even just putting Black-Shoulder on them, since actual offspring results won't match what would be expected if breeders do their charts assuming things like "Ivory" or "Montana" are just single mutations.

I'm just happy that after I first posted about it on this forum some breeders gave it a try. Looking back on the thread now, it's "interesting" that some of the nay-sayers seem to be selling what they said then wasn't possible, but no matter. When you know something is true, that someone else agrees or not is inconsequential.

 

[Midnightman14]

From what I have been able to determine by talking to breeders most of the newer mutations are combined colors.
Taupe= Opal plus Purple (first bred by Brad Legg after getting the idea from Clifton)
Platinum and Mocha= Opal plus Cameo (first bred by Clifton)
Hazel and Indigo= Bronze plus Purple (Indigo first bred by Clifton, Hazel bred by Texas Peafowl)
From what I have been told Montana and Steel are both genuine mutations. Ivory I have no idea on.

Part of the reason this information hasn't been spread as widely as it might otherwise have been is because it means that more people would start breeding their own and the price would go down.

 

[Rosa moschata]

I still don't understand how two different phenotypes result from combining the same two mutations. I wonder if somehow Clifton lost track of some of his splits, and other mutations snuck into the genepools. Platinum looks like Opal and Cameo together, but Mocha looks like something else -- too iridescent to have come from those two. Indigo looks like Purple and Bronze, but Hazel makes me think Midnight is in there with Bronze instead of Purple, since it doesn't seem to fade in the back. I wonder if Ivory may perhaps be Opal and Peach. I know Clifton was working on Purple and Midnight, but since our last correspondence a few years ago, he said he was still trying to get a male -- he succeeded in getting females, which is understandably easier since Purple is sex-linked.

I think it's a shame these names were conjured up, rather than just calling them what they are, genetically. But I suppose that the breeders have to be rewarded monetarily for their ingenuity, and so they have the right to call their creations what they like.

 

[Rosa moschata]

Oh, and I wonder if anyone was able to compare Steel with European Violet. Perhaps the same mutation occurred twice.

 

[Dany12]

For sure ... not the same birds !

Violet :

Steel :