Buckeye Breed Thread

[TK Poultry]

o i c srry still kind of learning so i dont have a line of anything until i breed for more than 3 generations

 

[cgmccary]

greencastle_ducks: o i c srry still kind of learning so i dont have a line of anything until i breed for more than 3 generations

Not correct. They have to come from somewhere. You have a line of a strain. You just can't say, I now have a "new line" called so & so of this strain unless you have been breeding 3-4 generations. Then, you could say "this is my line of the ALBC strain," for example. If you got your birds from Sandhill Preservation, then you have the Sandhill line of the Urch strain & so forth. After breeding them 3 generations, you could, if you wanted to, call them, the "Greencastle line" of the Urch strain. After awhile, your line takes on the look of your breeding selections or whatever genetic drift has taken place on your little island.​

 

[Tailfeathers]

Chris, thanks so much for the effort you put into educating folks on here. It is most helpful to not only the Buckeye folks but everyone breeding. My Buckeyes are on the way and I'm expecting a call tomorrow morning from the PO. Can't wait to pop those little potlickers in the incubator.

I wanted to add one little thing that may be common-sense and already thought of but on the outside chance that it's not may be found helpful. To my mind, bringing in "new blood" solely for the purposes of "genetic diversity" doesn't make a lot of sense. It seems to me that one would be more concerned with the breeding program and the goals of the breeder than where the birds came from. For example, I have one line of Welsummers that is the German line and from one of the original five breeders that got them and the Barnevelders accepted into the APA/ABA in 1991. I am also getting a line that is from the Netherlands/UK line and from one of the other more well-known original breeders.

Now, if I take those two lines and always keep them separate BUT through poor breeding practices, I totally mess the breed up, one certainly can't go back and point to the original breeders for my lack of good breeding practices. So, in other words, I think many folks are missing the boat when looking at "genetic diversity" - especially when looking to a hatchery to provide it.

There is an awful lot of talk on BYC about "genetic diversity" and "inbreeding" amongst certain breeds. This brings up an interesting point that begs the question, “Is inbreeding harmful?” I think one has to first define “inbreeding” vs. “line breeding”. Line breeding is what I practice. My understanding of “inbreeding” is Brother-to-Sister matings. “Line Breeding” is Father-to Daughter or Mother-to-Son (or GD or GS or GGD or GGS, etc.) From what I have read, inbreeding can be very useful to enhance certain traits. However, it may also bring a fault or DQ to light that would otherwise possibly not pop up.

I am not even remotely close to being anywhere near understanding genetics. Having said that, it is my understanding that “too much inbreeding” cannot “create” a problem but rather brings a problem that already exists to the surface. In other words, practicing inbreeding is not going to create some sort of mutation that results in a monster or other oddity. The problem as I understand it comes when inbreeding brings a problem to the surface and then further inbreeding multiplies that problem in the stock and exacerbates the problem.

Am I correct in my understanding? If I am, then logic would tell me that inbreeding can be just as effective in producing faster results toward a good bird as it could a bad bird. One must just be more diligent about culling.

God Bless,

 

[mrandmrschicken]

Hey Laura;

Need your assistance. My NPIP # is 42-556 so whilst (hey its almost Christmas I can use that word) going through the breed number list for bantam Buckeyes, I see also a Red Buckeye! Can you splain Lucy?
Thanks,
Eric

 

[Pathfinders]

Quote:
Hi Eric,

Are you referring to the breed number list on the NPIP site itself? Can you send a link?

If someone is calling something "Red Buckeye" then they have the terminology wrong, IMO...

 

[mrandmrschicken]

i don't know if i can can get a link but, will get the number and you can look it up. will that work?
ETA: Mind you, this is IA list as well. I should think it would be National?

 

[mrandmrschicken]

W373 - BUCKEYE, RED

Check the www.iowapoultry.com site and look under bantams.
E.

Here I done went and got all excited about a new proposition for another twist on a breed1 Next it will be frizzles, sizzles, swizzles, (oh that sounds good)! for buckeyes!

 

[Pathfinders]

It's just an error on their part, they are describing the color, shouldn't have it under the breed name. I wouldn't get too excited about it.

 

[mrandmrschicken]

Dang it............. You just took the wind outta my sails! Still think I'll have the swizzle later this afternoon. Kinda cold here. Are Buckeyes good mousers?

 

[TK Poultry]

thanks for explaining that to me i didnt know when to call my ducks my line but idk where they came from tho so that put a kink in thing but thanks that helps with my buckeye endeavor too because i want to mix strains. Thanks alot i would be lost w/o you guys