Buckeye Breed Thread

[Chickielady]

I am having depressing thoughts after a talk with Monte Bowen tonight, actaully on & off e-mailing all day.
The people who are buying & in breeding the Javas are outrageous !
Several with "Auburn Javas" and now some one has "Buff Javas" and both of us have talked about it all day.
Back in the day, if you bred 1 breed to another, it took it's own new name as a new breed, such as the jersey Giant.
It is bred from Javas & a few other breeds but was never named "giant Java"
It is it's own breed with it's own genetic makeup.
In his life's work, and donating to the Garfield Museum, the birds were all genetically tested, and such was the birth of the Garfield Farm & the effort to bring these critically endangered birds back from extinction.
In the process, one designer breed after another is on going...
Monte has told me a few times there is no such thing as an Auburn Java, nor a Buff Java, just ain't so!
Someone in bred a few other breeds to get a certain color & called it a Java..that is pure cow poop.

Let's all hope that does not become the fate of the Buckeye !!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, Javas come in Black & mottled, with a very rare outside sport of white.
Period.
other than that, there is no other unless it has been cross bred.
Dang, the whole "designer chicken" movement undermines what we heritage breeders are trying so hard to do: Bring back a pure breed & maintain it.

 

[Roy H]

Are the Buckeye good layes??duel puropse?? lage eggs?? color of eggs???????weight?????

 

[daver]

Look up Gra Moore near Florence.

Greetings! Looking to start with a couple of Buckeyes this spring here in North Charleston, SC. Anyone with info I where I might be able to get chicks or pullets in or near SC, I would be very interested. Thank you!

 

[cgmccary]

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Buckeyes are a good dual purpose bird. Dual purpose breeds are the old heritage breeds, created in the 18th and 19th centuries -- created at a time when the family farm kept chickens for their meat and eggs (and sold extra eggs locally). This was a time before the mass production of chickens as we know it today. The dual purpose hen was to lay a decent amount of eggs for as as long as possible and produce offspring that fleshed out for the stew pot and roasting.

A dual purpose hen should not lay like a Leghorn or another egg laying breed. The cockerels do not gain weight as quickly and cheaply as the Cornish-Rock cross or one of the other meat breeds-- dual purpose breeds are also good foragers (can find food for themselves), sturdy (hardy), attractive, usually will go broody, brood and raise their young -- this is the definition of dual purpose. This gets lost on so many folks. Besides the Buckeyes, there are other old-time dual purpose breeds, such as the Plymouth Rocks, Javas, Rhode Island Reds, New hampshires, Dominiques, Wyandottes, Orpingtons.

What has happened is that selection has been more toward the egg laying and not toward a decent meat bird too. A dual purpose hen should lay about 200 eggs a year her first year or two and she goes down gradually after that. My hens lay a large to jumbo egg. Eggs are light to dark brown. Buckeye hens weigh about 6.5 lbs and the cockerels weigh 8-9 lbs.

 

[heritagebirds]

They sure are a beautiful bird, happy to have a flock and looking to grow it this year.

 

[heritagebirds]

I am having depressing thoughts after a talk with Monte Bowen tonight, actaully on & off e-mailing all day.
The people who are buying & in breeding the Javas are outrageous !
Several with "Auburn Javas" and now some one has "Buff Javas" and both of us have talked about it all day.
Back in the day, if you bred 1 breed to another, it took it's own new name as a new breed, such as the jersey Giant.
It is bred from Javas & a few other breeds but was never named "giant Java"
It is it's own breed with it's own genetic makeup.
In his life's work, and donating to the Garfield Museum, the birds were all genetically tested, and such was the birth of the Garfield Farm & the effort to bring these critically endangered birds back from extinction.
In the process, one designer breed after another is on going...
Monte has told me a few times there is no such thing as an Auburn Java, nor a Buff Java, just ain't so!
Someone in bred a few other breeds to get a certain color & called it a Java..that is pure cow poop.

Let's all hope that does not become the fate of the Buckeye !!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, Javas come in Black & mottled, with a very rare outside sport of white.
Period.
other than that, there is no other unless it has been cross bred.
Dang, the whole "designer chicken" movement undermines what we heritage breeders are trying so hard to do: Bring back a pure breed & maintain it.

I had the understanding that the Auburn showed up in a Java flock, without any cross-breeding. I guess genetic testing would prove either way beyond a shadow of a doubt, right? I got a white out of my mottleds, which was exciting. I am happy to be getting Black Javas again, I have missed them.

 

[cgmccary]

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There is a strain of Buckeye that has had dark Cornish intentionally bred in as well as some RIR (do not worry Chickielady-- it is not our strain). This is most apparent in the too short legs (Cornish) or the messed up comb (carrying a recessive single comb -- RIR). Also, there are a few folks breeding for a 300 egg laying Buckeye -- i.e. a production / hatchery Buckeye strain. I guess this would be a Buckeye to please the masses. In the process of breeding a super egg layer, they lose the Buckeye body shape. It is easy to correct for color (just 2-3 generations can fix), but it takes a long time to get the body back or to lose the short legs, etc. There are some breeders too who breed solely for the show wins -- so whatever is winning at the shows (easy to do in a short amount of time) -- as I have mentioned here before, this I have promised myself NOT to do.

 

[Chickielady]

Yes whites can occur from Mottled, and you can isolate that & continue to cull for any color & eventually get a true breeding white.
I have never like the whites, looks like a white rock to me.........
I love the Mottled...that CAN naturally occur from Blacks but you need 2 Blacks showing signs of mottled to get any.
I have one hen that shows signs in eye color (I think I showed Heritagebirds the photo)
I am glad the Buckeye stay the buckeye color, it is such a lovely color like no other breed.
Thanks again Chris !

 

[dentech]

There is a strain of Buckeye that has had dark Cornish intentionally bred in as well as some RIR (do not worry Chickielady-- it is not our strain). This is most apparent in the too short legs (Cornish) or the messed up comb (carrying a recessive single comb -- RIR). Also, there are a few folks breeding for a 300 egg laying Buckeye -- i.e. a production / hatchery Buckeye strain. I guess this would be a Buckeye to please the masses. In the process of breeding a super egg layer, they lose the Buckeye body shape. It is easy to correct for color (just 2-3 generations can fix), but it takes a long time to get the body back or to lose the short legs, etc. There are some breeders too who breed solely for the show wins -- so whatever is winning at the shows (easy to do in a short amount of time) -- as I have mentioned here before, this I have promised myself NOT to do.

What strain would that be?

 

[Sstymie]

I'm looking for some chicks, do you have pullets for sale? Looking for 12-18? Thanks1