Buff Tailed black in large fowl. What genes

[call ducks]

Ok so my work with Yellow Hungarian's is going good ( i guess consdering i only have the one pair...), now i am seem to be stuck on the genes that form Buff tail black. As that's what the yellows are. So you people with more genetic knowledge can you help me? The only thing i know is that they are gold.


I am going to be out crossing to some breeds in the next few years, after i manage to get there genetic mess sortted out (well they are a gene gold mine IMO i just have to spend a few years selecting for each one)

 

[nicalandia]

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are you talking about Ducks...?

 

[call ducks]

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are you talking about Ducks...?

No chickens

 

[nicalandia]

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are you talking about Ducks...?

No chickens

No such a thing as a black bodied bird with buff colored tail...

you can proove me wrong with pics....

 

[call ducks]

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No chickens

No such a thing as a black bodied bird with buff colored tail...

you can proove me wrong with pics....

Not what i ment sorry LOL.

I mena buff taild black (buff with black tail)

well that is what i meant. I guess people call it different names. When working with Japense this color is call buff tailed black japense.

 

[call ducks]

It seems most likey that it is mh+/mh+ correct? As it seems mh+/mh+ dilutes the Rhode Island Red coloring to this type of coloring.

 

[ChickieBooBoo]

you lost me

 

[nicalandia]

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from feather site..
http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGD/HYel/BRKHYel.html

they are just BTB(Black Tailed Buff) birds... the lack of mahogany will give you a orange bird, but also the pressence of pheomelanin diluters with Mahogany will give you a orange colored bird..

those birds remind me of NHR...

 

[nicalandia]

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sorry if the following will also lost you...

the buff phenotype is a very very complex phenotype and genotype to say the least... there are many ways to obtain a buff colored bird.. the genotype can be based on eb or eWh and e+ also, columbian restrictors are need it like Columbian Co and DarkBrown Db. Pheomelanin enhancers like Mahogany and autosomal red can also be pressent, pheomelanin diluters like Di(Dilute) and Champagne Blonde(Cb) are said to be on Self buff birds like Leghorns,cochins and minorcas.. some like buff columbian rock lack them... its a nightmare to eve try to reproduce them from scratch....

I will be posting interesting info I know you will find educating..

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here have some food for thought

http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=21273#Post21273

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[Chris09]

Call Ducks,
I believe you mean Black Tailed Buff as in a Black Tailed Buff Japanese and not a Buff Tailed Black.
Try a New Hampshire, That is as close to a Black Tailed Buff as you are going to get in Large Fowl.

Chris