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[Cowgirl71]

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not a red sex link RSL are red and white not anything like that

A red sexlink is not always red. Hatchery's RSLs are always red, because their sire is always a red rooster (such as a RIR, NH, or PR), but a person can cross a lot of different birds to make "red" sex-links.

A red sex-link is just a bird with a red or gold father and a recessive white mother. A LOT of breeds can be crossed to make "red" sex-links, and many of these won't even look like your typical red sex-links from a hatchery, especially if they're sired by a buff rooster.

 

[RAREROO]

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not a red sex link RSL are red and white not anything like that

A red sexlink is not always red. Hatchery's RSLs are always red, because their sire is always a red rooster (such as a RIR, NH, or PR), but a person can cross a lot of different birds to make "red" sex-links.

A red sex-link is just a bird with a red or gold father and a recessive white mother. A LOT of breeds can be crossed to make "red" sex-links, and many of these won't even look like your typical red sex-links from a hatchery, especially if they're sired by a buff rooster.

OK Stay with me now, lol we just went over this recessive white thing in that other thread. It is best to stay AWAY from recessive white breeds for making sexlinks becuase you dont know what they are going to be masking. Its Sexlinked Silver that is need to make sexlinks. The three genes responsible for coloring a bird white are Sexlinked Silver, Recessive White, and Dominant. The mother of in a red sexlink cross CAN carry Recessive or Dominant White, but MUST carry Sexlinked Silver.

The person who was betting money one her being a BO X Light Sussex sexlink would lose money on that bet. No way shes from that cross. That cross would give Buff Columbian pullets with light ticking in the hackles and tail and she wouldnt have all this messy black ticking all over the body since neither of those parent breeds do. Also since both Orps and Sussex are White Legged breeds, their offspring would have white legs, this birds legs are not white.

I do also see some Brahma influence in her but she may not be from an F1 cross to a Brahma.

 

[Cowgirl71]

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Oooooooohhhh. All this time I truly thought recessive white and silver were the same thing, and then dominant white was the other white. Sorry, LOL! This stuff can be so confusing...

Clint, you want to write a book? Or maybe another sticky? You know this stuff SO well! Where did you learn it all from? Can you recommend any reading?

Thanks for putting up with me and all of my questions!

 

[RAREROO]

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Oooooooohhhh. All this time I truly thought recessive white and silver were the same thing, and then dominant white was the other white. Sorry, LOL! This stuff can be so confusing...

Clint, you want to write a book? Or maybe another sticky? You know this stuff SO well! Where did you learn it all from? Can you recommend any reading?

Thanks for putting up with me and all of my questions!

Oh lol Nope they arent the same. Remember Recessive white is a recessive gene like Lavender, Mottleing, ect and requires two genes to be present. So lets say crossing a Recessive white bird ( lets say its masking black) with a RIR, you wouldnt get any white coloring, it would be like breeding Black to RIR in the first generation . Just like you wouldnt get any Lavender birds in the first generation if you crossed a lav bird to a non lav bird.

Silver is not recessive, so Crossing a Silver roo with a RIR will give pure Silver gened pullets in the first generation.

Some way to tell the difference is if the bird is showing black and white in a pattern, Its Silver ( Ex Silver Laced, Silver Penciled, Silver Quail, Silver Columbian, Delawares, ect...) All of those breeds are guaranteed to only be carrying Silver, and not Dominant or Recessive White.

If a bird is showing Red and White, ( thought these wont work as hens for sexlinks anyway since they will be Gold gened) but if a bird is Red and showing white were black would normally be, then that white is Dominant White becuase Dom white masks black but still lets red through som examples would be ( White tailed Red Sexlinks, Red Pyle, Buff laced, ect...) And exeption to this is Mottling, the white mottling spots can be on any colored bird and it is a form of Recessive White.

Then most Solid White birds are Recessive white. Recessive white maskes everything, black and red. Leaving the bird solid white. But White Leghorns, Games, and Cornish Cross birds are solid white, but the majority of these are Dominant White and generally dont carry the Silver genes.

RIWs I believe should be a Silver columbian bird and the Black Columbian markings have been masked by Dominant white, So it this case the bird is carrying both Dom white and Silver

The White Rocks that can make sexlinks are examples of a bird that is carrying both Silver and Recessive white.



As for where I learned it all, mainly since I have been here on BYC. And I have a photographic memory and it makes it really easy for me to pick up on all this stuff when I see the information. But really, once you learn the basics and know what works with what, a LOT of it is just intuitive that can be figured up mentally if you know what genes you are dealing with and how they work.

Tims sticky is about as good as it can get but I do realize it can be pretty mind boggling for someone just starting to learn.

Here is this color index thread that someone started https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=420683&p=1 and I have done a good bit of pattern explainations in there and I wanted to work more on it and try to get a sticky made out of it but there werent many responces with questions and it got lost. I still havent done Sexlinkage and explaining Gold and Silver inverses yet, but maybe eventually. But I would like to work more on that thread and see if we can get it made into a sticky so I could post a link to that thread for explaination instead of typing it all out everytime becuase sometimes I forget what I've already wrote where and leave out important points and if I could just do one big master post that I could refer to, that would help.

 

[Jferlisi]

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A red sexlink is not always red. Hatchery's RSLs are always red, because their sire is always a red rooster (such as a RIR, NH, or PR), but a person can cross a lot of different birds to make "red" sex-links.

A red sex-link is just a bird with a red or gold father and a recessive white mother. A LOT of breeds can be crossed to make "red" sex-links, and many of these won't even look like your typical red sex-links from a hatchery, especially if they're sired by a buff rooster.

OK Stay with me now, lol we just went over this recessive white thing in that other thread. It is best to stay AWAY from recessive white breeds for making sexlinks becuase you dont know what they are going to be masking. Its Sexlinked Silver that is need to make sexlinks. The three genes responsible for coloring a bird white are Sexlinked Silver, Recessive White, and Dominant. The mother of in a red sexlink cross CAN carry Recessive or Dominant White, but MUST carry Sexlinked Silver.

The person who was betting money one her being a BO X Light Sussex sexlink would lose money on that bet. No way shes from that cross. That cross would give Buff Columbian pullets with light ticking in the hackles and tail and she wouldnt have all this messy black ticking all over the body since neither of those parent breeds do. Also since both Orps and Sussex are White Legged breeds, their offspring would have white legs, this birds legs are not white.

I do also see some Brahma influence in her but she may not be from an F1 cross to a Brahma.

Yes now i see the legs. I never noticed the coloration of the legs so ya. But i say that because the pattern of the tail looks like that of the light sussex, plus the heckle feathers are very much faded but they are also alike.

 

[Cowgirl71]

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Dang, I wish I had THAT gene, LOL!

Lucky you! I'm glad you put it to good use!

Thank you very much for the in-depth answer! I'll be bookmarking this page...