Bumblefoot Prevention - Is there a way?

[Suedan]

Sorry, didn't want to take over your post. It was just the 10000th bumblefoot post; and on all Dutch and German fowl-forums it's not a thing? Our ducks aren't treated any different. So just like pink-eye; it just must not be here. But unlike pink-eye, which is an viral bacterial infection; stafylococcus is more heritary. It must be that; if it was viral bacterial ALL of your ducks/hens got is simoultainilisouly.

But stafylococcus you can't do anything about. It is caried in the body from birth.
The only thing you can do is breed it out =/ But since it only shows áfter a wound..that's hard to do!

So I guess just treat it is the only option. Or lock them up alone in a all-pillowed tiny room..

If it is stafylococcus; anti-bacterial things won't work well; since it comes from the inside. The "bactery" is already present in the skin/blood for life and allways has been. So you can only relieve. Check them often, and relieve.

Don't be sorry, it is very interesting!
@Miss Lydia are you familiar with this? I am very curious now.

 

[WannaBeHillBilly]

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staphylococcus:

»Staphylococcus includes at least 40 species. Of these, nine have two subspecies, one has three subspecies, and one has four subspecies.[4] Most are harmless and reside normally on the skin and mucous membranes of humans and other organisms. Staphylococcus has been found to be a nectar-inhabiting microbe.[5] Found worldwide, they are a small component of soil microbial flora.[6]«

So those critters can be found naturally in soil almost all over the world. If you don't keep your Duckies in an "all-pillowed tiny room" (love that picture!) they will cut their feet and if they walk on natural ground those wounds can become infected. And it all depends on the current status of the birds immune system, similar to weather we humons get a cold or not when exposed to the Rhino-Virus.
I have seen wild mallards with bumble foot here in WV around natural lakes, ponds and creeks and they seem to do fine. My three White Layers who caught bumblefoot almost healed themselves after i initially treated the infection with some neosporin, grabbed Bazilla recently and to my surprise her feet are fine, small bumps and some bruises but no signs of infection. My Duckies get ½ shredded kale every evening which contains a lot of Vitamin C and in the depth of Winter i add a teaspoon of Vitamin C powder to their drinking water to boost their immune system and so far i had only three cases of BF.
It may also has something to do with the breed of ducks: The White Layers who had it were my heaviest birds, the fourth one is significantly smaller.
My Runners all have cuts and scars on their feet, but no signs of infections.
I will have a watchful eye on those Runner/Orpington mix drakes from August as they now are the heaviest birds here, two of them can reach 80cm (32") high, they can steal the sandwich from the patio table…
@Loopeend - There is such a thing as »Pink Eye« in the Netherlands, at least according to Wikipedia: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bindvliesontsteking - The »Pink Eye« is slang here for Conjunctivitis. If you think you speak and understand English, come and visit the U.S. - and become confused! Took me a while to figure out what a »pain in da shoulder« is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_pounder

 

[Suedan]

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staphylococcus:

»Staphylococcus includes at least 40 species. Of these, nine have two subspecies, one has three subspecies, and one has four subspecies.[4] Most are harmless and reside normally on the skin and mucous membranes of humans and other organisms. Staphylococcus has been found to be a nectar-inhabiting microbe.[5] Found worldwide, they are a small component of soil microbial flora.[6]«

So those critters can be found naturally in soil almost all over the world. If you don't keep your Duckies in an "all-pillowed tiny room" (love that picture!) they will cut their feet and if they walk on natural ground those wounds can become infected. And it all depends on the current status of the birds immune system, similar to weather we humons get a cold or not when exposed to the Rhino-Virus.
I have seen wild mallards with bumble foot here in WV around natural lakes, ponds and creeks and they seem to do fine. My three White Layers who caught bumblefoot almost healed themselves after i initially treated the infection with some neosporin, grabbed Bazilla recently and to my surprise her feet are fine, small bumps and some bruises but no signs of infection. My Duckies get ½ shredded kale every evening which contains a lot of Vitamin C and in the depth of Winter i add a teaspoon of Vitamin C powder to their drinking water to boost their immune system and so far i had only three cases of BF.
It may also has something to do with the breed of ducks: The White Layers who had it were my heaviest birds, the fourth one is significantly smaller.
My Runners all have cuts and scars on their feet, but no signs of infections.
I will have a watchful eye on those Runner/Orpington mix drakes from August as they now are the heaviest birds here, two of them can reach 80cm (32") high, they can steal the sandwich from the patio table…
@Loopeend - There is such a thing as »Pink Eye« in the Netherlands, at least according to Wikipedia: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bindvliesontsteking - The »Pink Eye« is slang here for Conjunctivitis. If you think you speak and understand English, come and visit the U.S. - and become confused! Took me a while to figure out what a »pain in da shoulder« is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_pounder

 

[trumpeting_angel]

People don't inherit the staphylococcus bacterium; rather, some people are genetically better able to fight it off, others genetically more predisposed to getting it. The staph bacteria are in the environment. We catch it in germy environments, like hospital emergency rooms or correctional facilities. Maybe there are fewer staph bacteria festering in Europe? Lucky!

This might be a language issue; I noticed that @Loopeend spelled it differently. Perhaps in Dutch there is a similar word but for a different pathogen.

Edited to add: @WannaBeHillBilly - you beat me to it!

 

[Loopeend]

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staphylococcus:

»Staphylococcus includes at least 40 species. Of these, nine have two subspecies, one has three subspecies, and one has four subspecies.[4] Most are harmless and reside normally on the skin and mucous membranes of humans and other organisms. Staphylococcus has been found to be a nectar-inhabiting microbe.[5] Found worldwide, they are a small component of soil microbial flora.[6]«

So those critters can be found naturally in soil almost all over the world. If you don't keep your Duckies in an "all-pillowed tiny room" (love that picture!) they will cut their feet and if they walk on natural ground those wounds can become infected. And it all depends on the current status of the birds immune system, similar to weather we humons get a cold or not when exposed to the Rhino-Virus.
I have seen wild mallards with bumble foot here in WV around natural lakes, ponds and creeks and they seem to do fine. My three White Layers who caught bumblefoot almost healed themselves after i initially treated the infection with some neosporin, grabbed Bazilla recently and to my surprise her feet are fine, small bumps and some bruises but no signs of infection. My Duckies get ½ shredded kale every evening which contains a lot of Vitamin C and in the depth of Winter i add a teaspoon of Vitamin C powder to their drinking water to boost their immune system and so far i had only three cases of BF.
It may also has something to do with the breed of ducks: The White Layers who had it were my heaviest birds, the fourth one is significantly smaller.
My Runners all have cuts and scars on their feet, but no signs of infections.
I will have a watchful eye on those Runner/Orpington mix drakes from August as they now are the heaviest birds here, two of them can reach 80cm (32") high, they can steal the sandwich from the patio table…
@Loopeend - There is such a thing as »Pink Eye« in the Netherlands, at least according to Wikipedia: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bindvliesontsteking - The »Pink Eye« is slang here for Conjunctivitis. If you think you speak and understand English, come and visit the U.S. - and become confused! Took me a while to figure out what a »pain in da shoulder« is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_pounder

I don't think bumblefoot is from the type of staff from the soil. I think it is one that is in the body. How would you explain birds from overseas having it (that we send to each other; not fly over there by themselves)? After 3 months over there and 3 months over here been in quarantine? You think they don't clean exhibits in every inch for "dirt"?

Nah; we don't have pink-eye. For real. It's just not HERE. Not in the population. It's just simple. Different isles over the world have different spreadable "diceases".

And it is ALL no shame.

Noy sure how my English skills are relevant to your experiences; and no; it has nothing to do with weight. The ones I have ever known (ever!) where light pidgeons and light chickens. It's not a weight or soil thing. I'm 100% sure my allways-wet soil is way more ready for bacteria.. it's a perfect soil-country for bacteria!

Mark my words; it's the stass type that's just passed on by blood. Does not matter. Just like a herpes-mouth-sore; it's annoying. But you can be fine humans/ducks/chicken.

Unless someone is open to do something grans with mutliple breeders; importing ducks/chicken from other countries; and start a whole new line; and try to keep that healthy without inbreeding.. anyone got a few 10000 dollars left?

 

[Loopeend]

People don't inherit the staphylococcus bacterium; rather, some people are genetically better able to fight it off, others genetically more predisposed to getting it. The staph bacteria are in the environment. We catch it in germy environments, like hospital emergency rooms or correctional facilities. Maybe there are fewer staph bacteria festering in Europe? Lucky!

This might be a language issue; I noticed that @Loopeend spelled it differently. Perhaps in Dutch there is a similar word but for a different pathogen.

Edited to add: @WannaBeHillBilly - you beat me to it!

They do. And it is not a language barrier. There are many staph types (like the one I described about acne) that are given to you by birth. Oh my.
You are NOT more predisposed of having these staffs; you are already carying them; and they come out by mental/physicial stress more. But they are still theeeeere. You carry them. I don't get why you want them to be bacterial. Do you know how herpes works or do you also get that from dirty soil? Geez.

No in Dutch there is no similar word to spell them because English derives drom Dutch and we all come from the same Roman/Germanic languages. Sigh.

 

[trumpeting_angel]

Perhaps it’s not a language problem. Is there scientific research to back up this claim, that the staph bacterium is inherited? I couldn’t find any.

I hope my post did not seem condescending or insulting. But it seems as though it did. Otherwise why this comment about me imagining that herpes comes from the soil? (It’s a virus that interferes with the DNA. But it is not passed down from parent to child. Rather, like susceptibility to staph infections, there is some evidence to suggest a vulnerability that might be passed through the genes.).

Herpes:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080128121703.htm

Genetic predisposition to vulnerability to Staph:
https://www.cell.com/trends/microbiology/fulltext/S0966-842X(15)00128-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0966842X15001286%

[URL]https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1001088

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/51/E8277.full.pdf[/URL]

And Autoimmune disorders:
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...regulation/links/0912f506341a482fde000000.pdf

And cystic fibrosis:
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.470.108&rep=rep1&type=pdf

This is a growing area of the scientific study of disease, and very interesting. I was excited to see this research.

 

[Miss Lydia]

I will say I’ve been keeping waterfowl since 2004 started with Muscovy then geese in 2009 started with chickens before 2017 had only one bumble foot on 1 EE hen then in 2016 hatched Runners an Buff ducks, all were clear until this year one Runner with bumble. In 2017 we brought in 5 Salmon Faverolles hens when they became adults all 5 had bumble numerous times last year 2018 this year there was only on case maybe their feet toughened up I don’t know. I have used the thick horse shavings in my coops for years but we do live on rocky ground being in the mountains and no matter how many rocks large and small I remove more come in their place so I have no idea on how to prevent other than do the best you can with what you have and check feet periodically so if one gets it you can treat it quickly.

 

[Duckfarmer1]

My only thought is, how did a simple question about “ is there a way to prevent Bumblefoot “? Create such hubbub about other disease? Personally, I think Bumblefoot happens when a duck steps on something and infection sets in. I don’t worry beyond fixing that issue.

 

[Miss Lydia]

Same here!