bumps like warts on my seramas comb

[MrsBrooke]

We all do the best we can for our flocks, Akrnaf2.

Typically, the symptoms presented will determine what the illness is, which makes it *fairly* easy to discern the cause without tests (which is how people on BYC are able to help so many people who present sick chickens without expensive lab tests). Besides, fecal floats from the vet sometimes yield false negatives. Typically, the most common issues in backyard flocks have tell-tale signs.

But if you're giving Tylan 50 for peritonitis, you're doing your chicken zero good, and you're giving any other bacteria a chance to adapt, instead of treating it correctly and KILLING the bacteria, which makes it harder for the NEXT chicken to be treated. Dead bacteria have a hard time adjusting to antibiotics. With that said, it's important to get the dosing right, too.

One *could* consider an Oxine fogger-mister-thing in the coop to treat the FP virus, but since it runs its course over a few weeks and the chickens can't get it again, I'm not sure the cost is worth it. Fowl Pox is a virus and antibiotics will not touch that (as I'm sure you know).

I stand by my opinion that antibiotics should not be used as preventative care. Ever. You don't take penicillin or slather yourself in Neosporin "just in case," do you?

MrsB

 

[Akrnaf2]

We all do the best we can for our flocks, Akrnaf2.

Typically, the symptoms presented will determine what the illness is, which makes it *fairly* easy to discern the cause without tests (which is how people on BYC are able to help so many people who present sick chickens without expensive lab tests). Besides, fecal floats from the vet sometimes yield false negatives. Typically, the most common issues in backyard flocks have tell-tale signs.

But if you're giving Tylan 50 for peritonitis, you're doing your chicken zero good, and you're giving any other bacteria a chance to adapt, instead of treating it correctly and KILLING the bacteria, which makes it harder for the NEXT chicken to be treated. Dead bacteria have a hard time adjusting to antibiotics. With that said, it's important to get the dosing right, too.

One *could* consider an Oxine fogger-mister-thing in the coop to treat the FP virus, but since it runs its course over a few weeks and the chickens can't get it again, I'm not sure the cost is worth it. Fowl Pox is a virus and antibiotics will not touch that (as I'm sure you know).

I stand by my opinion that antibiotics should not be used as preventative care. Ever. You don't take penicillin or slather yourself in Neosporin "just in case," do you?

MrsB

I have never said that the antibiotics is a treatment of the FPV!
And yes sometimes Doc. Do give antibiotics as prevention like in perinatal antibiotic prophylaxis for the prevention of group B streptococcal infections or prophylactic antibiotics prior to dental treatments in patients with congenital heart defects, or people that have a chance that they have being exposed to Hemophilus Influenza, or Naseria meningitis that can causes Meningitis do get prophylactic antibiotics even if they don't show any symptoms of illness!
MrB

 

[Eggcessive]

Most people are of the opinion that antibiotics are of no use in fowl pox, since it is caused by a virus. But if an eye becomes infected since many of the pox pustules are frequently near the eye, then I would probably at least use an antibiotic ointment or drop in the eye, such as Terramycin (oxytetracycline) or plain Neosporin. Vetericyn eye gel may be good too. Castportpony has a long thread about dry and wet pox in her flock (some of the worst pictures I have seen, and she didn't have much success treating with powerful antibiotics. It seems to have to just run it's course. Here are some links to read about pox:
http://www.thepoultrysite.com/diseaseinfo/63/fowl-pox-pox-avian-pox/
http://www.hyline.com/aspx/redbook/redbook.aspx?s=5&p=35
https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/avian-pox-how-to-treat-your-chickens-for-avian-pox

 

[Akrnaf2]

Most people are of the opinion that antibiotics are of no use in fowl pox, since it is caused by a virus. But if an eye becomes infected since many of the pox pustules are frequently near the eye, then I would probably at least use an antibiotic ointment or drop in the eye, such as Terramycin (oxytetracycline) or plain Neosporin. Vetericyn eye gel may be good too. Castportpony has a long thread about dry and wet pox in her flock (some of the worst pictures I have seen, and she didn't have much success treating with powerful antibiotics. It seems to have to just run it's course. Here are some links to read about pox:
http://www.thepoultrysite.com/diseaseinfo/63/fowl-pox-pox-avian-pox/
http://www.hyline.com/aspx/redbook/redbook.aspx?s=5&p=35
https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/avian-pox-how-to-treat-your-chickens-for-avian-pox

I need to say again: I have never, never ,said that antibiotics have any usefulness against any viral pathogen! Believe me I have the knowledge .
The fact is that the main defence line of the body against pathogens invention, is the integrity of the skin. When this is compromised, like in case of saver FPV infection, there is a big chance of of outer pathogens, like bacteria and fungi to anther trough the worth inside the chicken body and cause disease(= secondary infection ) and that the prophylactic antibiotic treatment that I have suggested is come to prevent.

 

[MrsBrooke]

I never said you said that, Akrnaf2, and neither did Eggcessive. In fact, if you go look, I specifically said "(as I'm sure you know)" in reference to antibiotics NOT treating a virus.

I still stand by my opinion that antibiotics should NOT be used as a preventative in poultry. You are welcome to disagree and administer to your flock as you see fit.

Have a great day.



@PHILLIP78 , I hope your chickens come through the FP without ill effect... Please let us know if any other symptoms arise.

Keep us posted!

MrsB

 

[PHILLIP78]

Thanks everyone for the advise all is greatly appreciated. It seems only 3 of my 6 has it. My opinion is it must have come from the mosquito bites.

 

[MrsBrooke]

Any idea if any of those three without FP were vaccinated?

MrsB

 

[PHILLIP78]

no I hatched them. Eggs are from a local Serama breeder. I used medicated chic starter? That's all

 

[MrsBrooke]

Medicated starter prevents chicks from getting Coccidiosis. The FP vaccine is a little needle prick that you can have done at the hatchery for a few pennies. I believe you can also order it online and do it yourself if you wish, depending on how many chicks you plan on hatching and if you're going to sell them.

MrsB

 

[rhythmwhipsers]

Hi I'm fairly new at chicken keeping, could this be a fowl pox case too?