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Beaky, so if I decide to become an Athiest, kill every Christian possible, and hate and curse God, not want to ever see Him or heaven or anyone to see it....I'm still gonna go and be of God? Show it to me, please, seriously. I think we disagree on this. But on the bright side, that's where Bible study starts, my opinions fall before the Word of God. I don't see anywhere that I can't reject the gift of God. I see everywhere that there are conditions, that my destination is up to me entirely. God paid the price, now I can take it, leave it, trash it, return it......Now is the time to share from the Word of God and come to truth, this is what it's all about.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Do men gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Matthew 7:13-29

"Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?" Romans 11:18-24

"Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." Matthew 13:18-23

Do you see my point? These are minute references, ALL THROUGH the Bible is the principle of it being your choice to be saved or lost, moment by moment.....you can be 'graft on' and 'cut off'.....you can accept and then be overtaken by 'sun', 'rocky ground', 'wayside ground', and 'thorns'........you can hear 'depart from me ye that work iniquity'......if you do not constantly abide with Christ, for Christ.
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You said your opinion fall before the Word of God.. Why?... Also, the passages from Matthew.....
I do not want to sound harsh but I believe you are taking this (I can talk more about the Romans passage later, but right now I have some things going on and honestly don't have time) out of context.... Jesus is talking to Jews
before he died... Hence works salvation (they were under the system of Jewish law.) Jesus died at the end of the gospels, then providing eternal life to those who trust in him.

2 Timothy 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (any other creature would include us with our choices and sins.)

Ephesians 1:12-14 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

God has purchased us with His blood. Does He want a refund? The biggest question that I have for you is if you have to work to keep your salvation, then WHY DID JESUS DIE? His death would be pointless and in vain if you have to do something to keep your salvation. That's why He died for you! Ephesians 1:7 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Hope you'll consider this... Like you said, it's part of Bible study, and this is just what I've found through my study of God's Word over the years.
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You wouldn't mind if I joined, even though I'm not Christian, would you? I find religious studies to be really fascinating.
 
It states that nothing can separate you from the love of God..

That no evil can force you to fall...

Its a choice...

but you cannot truly love God and hate him at the same time.. those who appear to be, by their actions, are fence walking and the bible is clear about that.. to choose one or the other...

So Those who have received... keep salvation.. but if they chose to fall from it .. they are not saved no mater what... yes w sin and make mistakes and are tempted, and God offers his Mercy and forgiveness if we accept it. He lives us no matter what.. but it doesn't mean that if we reject God and his gift of salvation that we keep it.. but He certainly will fight to keep us from being lost. By gift or trial.

Does it mean that if you are saved and you make a mistake and don't get the chance to repent or are even unaware... and perish that you go to hell? No, His grace and Mercy covers you.. and besides once we arrive at our final destination.. isn't it up to Him to pass judgment? For example Suicide.. that is shaky ground... they not placing their full trust in Gods will for their time and situation... but I believe His Mercy is greater than condemning for deep grievances and lack of faith... God loves the weak too.. but it is a terrible thing to do.. and the consequences are the lives we have shaken left behind... for our selfish action... can be of great harm.

But aside from that you are both correct....... you can fall from Salvation by choosing to willingly sin and reject the gift you accepted, but nothing can just take it away from you. It comes down to choice.


I will discuss the passage after I am done homeschooling the kids :p
 
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Chic CAN said:
It states that nothing can separate you from the love of God..

That no evil can force you to fall...

Its a choice...

but you cannot truly love God and hate him at the same time.. those who appear to be, by their actions, are fence walking and the bible is clear about that.. to choose one or the other...

So Those who have received... keep salvation.. but if they chose to fall from it .. they are not saved no mater what... yes w sin and make mistakes and are tempted, and God offers his Mercy and forgiveness if we accept it. He lives us no matter what.. but it doesn't mean that if we reject God and his gift of salvation that we keep it.. but He certainly will fight to keep us from being lost. By gift or trial.

Does it mean that if you are saved and you make a mistake and don't get the chance to repent or are even unaware... and perish that you go to hell? No, His grace and Mercy covers you.. and besides once we arrive at our final destination.. isn't it up to Him to pass judgment? For example Suicide.. that is shaky ground... they not placing their full trust in Gods will for their time and situation... but I believe His Mercy is greater than condemning for deep grievances and lack of faith... God loves the weak too.. but it is a terrible thing to do.. and the consequences are the lives we have shaken left behind... for our selfish action... can be of great harm.

But aside from that you are both correct....... you can fall from Salvation by choosing to willingly sin and reject the gift you accepted, but nothing can just take it away from you. It comes down to choice.


I will discuss the passage after I am done homeschooling the kids :p
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Nice!
 
Chic CAN said:
But aside from that you are both correct....... you can fall from Salvation by choosing to willingly sin and reject the gift you accepted, but nothing can just take it away from you. It comes down to choice.
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That's my thinking, exactly.

BTW, Beaky, yes, Jesus died because, "The penalty of sin is (and was) death" It needed to be paid, and He paid it for us. I agree that nothing you or I do can save us, however, there are still things clearly outlined in the Word that should and shouldn't be done. Why do we need to follow that? Because out of a love and appreciation for God, we obey; and out of a realization and appreciation that it's the Creator giving these instructions and it's all for the best good of ourselves and His cause. A privilege.
 
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