Calculating Protein Percentages of Eggs and Peas

[EggSighted4Life]

I'm starting from the beginning again now.

Well, no one's got time to do that now.

But I've got ONE for ya...
You ferment your feed. Even though yes, we go by about 1/4 pound per day, I contend it is dumbed down for us to feed easily instead of using calories but the the energy formulation inside is still based on calories (nutrient) and the need of said animal and adjust accordingly to their digestion process along with how MUCH (yes I mean volume here) they would naturally need to intake to also feel satiated???...

So if you take your 20% feed and add a bunch of water... does your protein % or calorie content change at all... (before the fermenting process begins). Your volume and weight will be different but your overall energy factor will be the same... it will still be 20% protein coming from the energy (calories)... when you added water you did not add energy you added weight and volume.

You are being a really good sport, I realize we all have MANY things we should be doing.

 

[Kiki]

Not again!
Kiki see this:
A chicken needs in avarage 0.25 pound of feed a day.
0.25 pound is close to 112 grams
The feed is 18% protein so:
18%=0.18
0.18×112=20.6 grams of protein/day
In an egg their is 6 grams in average so
(6:20.6)×100=29.12% of the daily protein requirements of the average chicken .
If you give a chicken almost 3.5 eggs a day they will get all the protein they need.

I get this.

 

[julierenee]

Peas, like any grain, have average values and weights when it comes to stats. However, feed companies get samples in and test them for protein and use those values to base their mixes on in addition to what's been said previously on this thread.

http://www.rayglen.com/crop-bushel-weights/
For example, wheat's base weight per bushel is 60. The wheat I'm currently using for the chickens is heavy with a 69 lbs/bushel weight and it has a high protein value over 13.5...very nice with low/no mycotoxins.

Each field and even each load of grain can have a different protein value. Protein values tend to increase when the grain gets stressed; hot weather, lack of rain etc. It can be influenced by the timing of fertilizers etc as well. Processed feed will have the values listed...but if sourcing from a farmer, just know the protein values can differ. They should be able to provide you with it's protein value if they've gotten it tested at a grain company. Here, testing is done free to determine the quality and thus the price point offered by the grain company.

Not every field pea is equal. I requested to grow field peas this year and we've put in 70 acres for the chickens and the sheep. Our very helpful crop specialist called their animal nutritionist to locate appropriate varieties. I wanted a variety with low trypsin-inhibitor values that averages a higher protein value and is resistant to lodging. Low trypsin inhibitor values are important when looking at peas. In general, peas are one of the safer feeds. Grains high in trypsin inhibitors like soybeans is why these feeds can't be fed raw to livestock and must be heat treated for livestock. I can get complex...lol.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/trypsin-inhibitor
http://articles.extension.org/pages/70164/including-field-peas-in-organic-poultry-diets

We've used feed peas in a blend for our breeding ewes and lambs. Peas work very well for finishing hogs and lambs. They give a great flavour to the meat. However, this is the first time we'll be incorporating peas for feed for the chickens. We used peas specifically as a smaller percentage of my feed ration for keeping good weight on the ewes but not high enough to reduce milk production. We consider it a fairly rich animal feed. I'm hoping our peas turn out.

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Hi, I know it’s an old thread, but do you mind sharing which variety you chose?

Thanks!

 

[ChickenCanoe]

What is field pea grain? Is that a dried pea?

I know this thread is a year and a half old but I saw several references regarding peas and grain being in the same category. I couldn't help myself but chime in. Better late than never.
Peas and soybeans are in the legume family. Grains are in the grass family.
Other plant families are forbs, shrubs, brassicas, and trees.

Both grains and legumes are used in feeds because each seeds' amino acid profiles complement each other. Legumes contain some AAs deficient in grains and vice versa.
Even the two together don't provide the balanced protein profile that animal protein contains or poultry need but they come close.

 

[Mossy Dell]

I've read this thread, which is great, but still am unsure the protein of an egg! I think this is because the feed industry hasn't used eggs much, at least for fowl. When oats are about 11%, that's a standard, agreed-up measure. I think it is based on a dry measure. You see such agreed upon protein and energy percentages for all grains and common supplements. There is a range, sure, but not like on here with eggs argued as 12%, 33%, and 50%.

Look when oats are 11%, there is no way an egg is only 12%. I do not understand all the math. But I think converting from measures for humans doesn't work. They are based on how many grams a typical serving is; this is so humans can figure out if they are getting the recommended daily allowance. Feed protein measures are needed so that farmers and livestock nutritionists can blend ingredients and know the resulting protein and energy, etc.

I see protein estimates for various fresh insects fowl eat. Why is it like finding hen's teeth to get the feeding value of an egg? So folks, what IS the protein of an egg? Raw or hard boiled or scrambled. Or dry and powdered!

 

[Perris]

Whole, raw egg has 12.6 g protein per 100 g. Source: https://quadram.ac.uk/UKfoodcomposition/
you can look up some peas, beans, and grains there too.

 

[Mossy Dell]

Thanks, Perris. I was not clear—grams does not work for me! I want to compare eggs with how other feed, such as grain, is rated. When oats are 11% protein under that system, egg at at 12.6 grams does not help me. It is not as absolute in terms of the way animal feeds and supplements are rated.

 

[casportpony]

12.6 grams does not help me.

12.6 grams per 100 grams = 12.6%

 

[Perris]

exactly! the figures are %, just expressed in another way.

 

[Mossy Dell]

12.6 grams per 100 grams = 12.6%

Thanks, sportpony. Now here is my dunderhead response.

How in the world is a fresh or cooked egg only 12.6%? It makes no sense when some dry hard red wheat has more protein than that. An egg is major, concentrated animal protein. I lack the knowledge and ability to really prove or even explain my reaction, but life and farming experience tells me this is wrong.

I really think 12.6% is the danger I referred to at the outset of converting for charts designed to advise humans on daily needs. In any case, livestock feeds are not based on 100 grams of weight, as far as I know. They apparently do use a dry weight, but in practical terms an oat measure in your feed is about 11% protein. So the usefulness of that can be seen in this simple example of a scratch mix:

1 part oats, 11
1 part corn, 7.5
1 soft wheat, 10.5
= 29 /3 = 9.6%

So, anyone, what is the equivalent measure for an egg? You can find such measures for fish meal, including by types, other supplements and almost all grains and seeds. Realistically, I am not going to mix eggs that way. Except for baby chicks, maybe—

1 part egg, ?
2 parts 24% starter, 48
1 part Quaker Quick Oats, 13
= ? /4 =?

I do supplement chicks with egg using seat-of-the-pants guessing how much is right for x many chicks so they clean it up within four hours, say. I like to add some quick oats for fiber and to cut 24% starter down a bit. With egg, I am covered by real animal protein from nature's perfect food, regardless of knowing, but I am curious.

You know, decades ago chicks used to be raised on eggs and oat flakes. Using some egg, I could probably increase my oat flakes far more than I use now. For my breed and my goals, I am leery of too much protein. But real animal protein seems to act different in and on their bodies. The protein gotten by free range birds can be crazy high, but they are fine and their droppings firm. Maybe it's all the fiber they also get.

Back to the question with the parameters I have tried awkwardly to explain: does anyone know the protein of an egg in common livestock feed terms?