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[QueenMisha]

Ok, I'll skip the ivermectin then. I notice the information you posted on Elector has no withdrawal time for eggs though.  I am kind of leery of this cause I used Frontline on my hens last Fall & then I found out that the withdrawal time is actually 200 days!  I'll see if I can find any info on withdrawal time but thanks!

Do you have a source on the 200 days figure? I've been searching pretty far and wide for official information on this. There seem to have been next to no studies done on fipronil (Frontline) and chickens (though multiple sources quote it as being toxic to the gallinaceous class of birds).

 

[QueenMisha]

I've probably posted hundreds of posts saying it doesn't work, which when I gave smaller amounts it did not work, but a little more seems to do the trick. Some pigeon people give 1 mg/kg, so that's what I decided to try, and so far it does seem to kill all types of poultry lice, though it can take a little longer to get the some of them. The hen I treated today looks like she had several species of them, so I'll check her daily until I see that all are gone, then I'll report back here. Lice like these are gone in 24-48 hours: Photo by KsKingBee [COLOR=333333]Photo by Garden Peas[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333][COLOR=333333]Photo by Garden Peas[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] -Kathy

WHAT TYPE OF LOUSE IS THIS??? I saw one on my tom turkey a while back, absolutely massive bugger, twice the size of a common poultry louse, but haven't been able to find one on him since and have no clue what species they are!

 

[Sylvester017]

Regarding ivermectin and lice... For years I've been telling people that it doesn't work, but my peafowl buddies kept insisting that it worked for them, so I thought I try it again. Two weeks ago I treated one peacock and three chicken hens. The next day the peacock's lice were gone, and the following day the three hens were clean. Today I tried it again... hen is 2.5 kg and was given 1.87 mg (1/10 cc of ivermectin horse paste). All doses were ivermectin paste, so all were given orally.

-Kathy

I've used the Ivermectin horse paste on my hens for 5 years topically every 3 to 4 months under each wing on the skin - one drop per pound of bird weight. Each year a fecal vet taste has shown negative for internal parasites and I've never had a case of lice or mites either. I also use Rooster Booster Multi-Wormer supplement 5 days a month with regular Rooster Booster vitamin supplement every day, and use organic enzyme Manna Pro Poultry Protector spray on hens and on coop crevices and perches at least once a month for lice/mite preventation. I have 4 hens only so this maintenance routine works for me. I know the Poultry Protector works for lice and Manna Pro also makes a mite spray too. I received a couple juveniles in shipment that had lice and one treatment of Poultry Protector and the lice were not visible immediately. Still, I treated a couple more days just to be sure with a followup spraying a week later for any eggs that might've hatched in between treatments. The directions are detailed on the label and can be used on chicks too. Many poo-poo the idea of using Ivermectin horse paste but it and Poultry Protector and Rooster Booster products have worked for me for 5 years total. I never tried Ivermectin orally w/chickens as I am not experienced enough to guess stuff like that and I preferred using products approved by the FDA first where no egg withdrawal was necessary. Egg withdrawal is necessary if Ivermectin is used so I apply it whenever a chicken is not in a laying cycle and not during molting or illness either. Kathy, as always, I appreciate your posts!

 

[ronott1]

I've used the Ivermectin horse paste on my hens for 5 years topically every 3 to 4 months under each wing on the skin - one drop per pound of bird weight. Each year a fecal vet taste has shown negative for internal parasites and I've never had a case of lice or mites either. I also use Rooster Booster Multi-Wormer supplement 5 days a month with regular Rooster Booster vitamin supplement every day, and use organic enzyme Manna Pro Poultry Protector spray on hens and on coop crevices and perches at least once a month for lice/mite preventation. I have 4 hens only so this maintenance routine works for me. I know the Poultry Protector works for lice and Manna Pro also makes a mite spray too. I received a couple juveniles in shipment that had lice and one treatment of Poultry Protector and the lice were not visible immediately. Still, I treated a couple more days just to be sure with a followup spraying a week later for any eggs that might've hatched in between treatments. The directions are detailed on the label and can be used on chicks too. Many poo-poo the idea of using Ivermectin horse paste but it and Poultry Protector and Rooster Booster products have worked for me for 5 years total. I never tried Ivermectin orally w/chickens as I am not experienced enough to guess stuff like that and I preferred using products approved by the FDA first where no egg withdrawal was necessary. Egg withdrawal is necessary if Ivermectin is used so I apply it whenever a chicken is not in a laying cycle and not during molting or illness either. Kathy, as always, I appreciate your posts!

ivermectin is off label for poultry so it has the standard 2 week withdrawl--no matter what type.

That is what you do for off label meds to be safe. From what I have found on it, ivermectin does not get into the eggs. It does go into the oil glands so it might not be a good idea to eat the birds for a couple of weeks after the last dose. The eggs are safe to eat but it is not legal to sell them.

I use the injectable ivermectin in water and it seems to work for me too. No worms detected at necropsy or float test.

 

[casportpony]

@ronott1, an experiment with your ivermectin... Fill a small glass with some water, then add a few cc's of ivermectin. Stir well. Come back in an hour and see if it's still mixed or if it's floated to the top. I did this experiment last year, and mine floated. Need to do it again just to be sure.

-Kathy

 

[ronott1]

@ronott1 , an experiment with your ivermectin... Fill a small glass with some water, then add a few cc's of ivermectin. Stir well. Come back in an hour and see if it's still mixed or if it's floated to the top. I did this experiment last year, and mine floated. Need to do it again just to be sure.

-Kathy

I have to be careful when adding it since it makes foam. That might have to do with our wonder well water here though. Next month we are being switched to river water which will be a lot different.

I am almost out of it now so will likely be using valbazen in the future.

Did you use the pour on or injectable though? Pour on will not mix with water but injectable will.

 

[Honora]

Do you have a source on the 200 days figure? I've been searching pretty far and wide for official information on this. There seem to have been next to no studies done on fipronil (Frontline) and chickens (though multiple sources quote it as being toxic to the gallinaceous class of birds).

Ok, so when I went to the workshop in Oakland there was a talk by an entomologist who specializes in poultry parasites. She said that fipronil has not been approved for use on chickens and she recommended NEVER eating the eggs or the meat of a chicken that has had fipronil used on it.

She stated that for cattle, the withdrawal time for eating the meat or the milk is 200 days, so that's where I got that figure from. I also found on parasitipedia.net that the withdrawal time for cattle is "3-4 months."

I decided to go with the 200 days figure as far as eating the eggs, because based on this website, the effect on humans as far as chronic consumption of fipronil is not likely to cause any harm to us. It is far more likely to cause poisoning to the chicken, though, since chickens are super sensitive to this chemical, more sensitive than mammals.

So basically it shouldn't be used on chickens at all but since it's consumption is not likely to harm me I am not going to follow the advice to NEVER eat the eggs or meat again. I certainly will not be using fipronil again in the future though.

Here is the website; it's has lots of information: http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2686&Itemid=2991

Also see: http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3159&Itemid=2949

 

[Sylvester017]

@ronott1 , an experiment with your ivermectin... Fill a small glass with some water, then add a few cc's of ivermectin. Stir well. Come back in an hour and see if it's still mixed or if it's floated to the top. I did this experiment last year, and mine floated. Need to do it again just to be sure.

-Kathy

I have to be careful when adding it since it makes foam. That might have to do with our wonder well water here though. Next month we are being switched to river water which will be a lot different.

I am almost out of it now so will likely be using valbazen in the future.

Did you use the pour on or injectable though? Pour on will not mix with water but injectable will.

Wow! You guys are talking stuff that's Greek to me! What is a float test? I take my chicken fecal specimens to the vet for test results. What is the formula measurements for using Valbazen for chickens? And, I've never found anything but Ivermectin paste at the feed and grain supply - nothing injectable (but then I don't inject anything in my chickens anyway.) It was 5 years before I learned how to syringe medication down a chicken's throat!!!! Yet there are so many chicken owners that can do it all on here. With only 4 hens I don't get the overwhelming set of problems that large flock owners or breeders have to face. Most of my learning has been from the vet and he's learned a little from my hens too.

 

[ronott1]

Wow! You guys are talking stuff that's Greek to me! What is a float test? I take my chicken fecal specimens to the vet for test results. What is the formula measurements for using Valbazen for chickens? And, I've never found anything but Ivermectin paste at the feed and grain supply - nothing injectable (but then I don't inject anything in my chickens anyway.) It was 5 years before I learned how to syringe medication down a chicken's throat!!!! Yet there are so many chicken owners that can do it all on here. With only 4 hens I don't get the overwhelming set of problems that large flock owners or breeders have to face. Most of my learning has been from the vet and he's learned a little from my hens too.

It is a fecal float test that the vet does. They look for worms in the "liquid".

Jeffers livestock and Amazon sells swine and goat injectable ivermectin. It is often under different name. Pouron is also a liquid but it is topical, not injectable and will not mix with water.

Like this:

 

[casportpony]

Quote: I used injectable (Normectin) with distilled water.

-Kathy