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[Sylvester017]

Ok, so when I went to the workshop in Oakland there was a talk by an entomologist who specializes in poultry parasites. She said that fipronil has not been approved for use on chickens and she recommended NEVER eating the eggs or the meat of a chicken that has had fipronil used on it.

She stated that for cattle, the withdrawal time for eating the meat or the milk is 200 days, so that's where I got that figure from. I also found on parasitipedia.net that the withdrawal time for cattle is "3-4 months."

I decided to go with the 200 days figure as far as eating the eggs, because based on this website, the effect on humans as far as chronic consumption of fipronil is not likely to cause any harm to us. It is far more likely to cause poisoning to the chicken, though, since chickens are super sensitive to this chemical, more sensitive than mammals.

So basically it shouldn't be used on chickens at all but since it's consumption is not likely to harm me I am not going to follow the advice to NEVER eat the eggs or meat again. I certainly will not be using fipronil again in the future though.

Here is the website; it's has lots of information: http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2686&Itemid=2991

Also see: http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3159&Itemid=2949

On another note, some people that are sensitive about antibiotics or antibiotics-immune, can't eat eggs ever from chickens that have received Baytril antibiotic treatments. I don't know - we wait the usual 2 weeks if one of our hens is treated using Baytril from the vet. But usually a chicken that is sick enough for a vet trip is usually not laying anyway so we usually don't experience a need for egg withdrawal. As someone posted earlier, any product not approved for poultry use will always require an egg or meat withdrawal period.

 

[Sylvester017]

It is a fecal float test that the vet does. They look for worms in the "liquid".

Jeffers livestock and Amazon sells swine and goat injectable ivermectin. It is often under different name. Pouron is also a liquid but it is topical, not injectable and will not mix with water.

Like this:

I used injectable (Normectin) with distilled water.

-Kathy

Thx guys!

 

[casportpony]

This site has some good cat/dog fecal float info:
http://www.pet-informed-veterinary-advice-online.com/fecal-flotation.html#float-performed

-Kathy

 

[h2oratt]

ivermectin is off label for poultry so it has the standard 2 week withdrawl--no matter what type.

That is what you do for off label meds to be safe. From what I have found on it, ivermectin does not get into the eggs. It does go into the oil glands so it might not be a good idea to eat the birds for a couple of weeks after the last dose. The eggs are safe to eat but it is not legal to sell them.

I use the injectable ivermectin in water and it seems to work for me too. No worms detected at necropsy or float test.

What is the dosage you use for the inj ivermectin? That is the product i have.

 

[h2oratt]

This site has some good cat/dog fecal float info:
http://www.pet-informed-veterinary-advice-online.com/fecal-flotation.html#float-performed

-Kathy

I would like to be able to do my own fecals on my dogs and birds.

 

[ronott1]

What is the dosage you use for the inj ivermectin? That is the product i have.

I use this:

De-worming Methods using 1% injectable cattle ivermectin:
Birds up to 6 months old get 1/4 cc of ivermectin in the mouth. I want to be sure they get a
good dose since they are the most susceptible to parasites and internal parasite damage.
Grown birds are treated with 1cc of ivermectin per quart of water for 2 days. Mix a fresh
batch as needed each day. Birds drink what water they need according to size so I don't
worry about them over dosing. Over dosing isn't really a problem though for it takes a lot
of ivermectin to cause a problem. A friend did a test on a bantam rooster by giving the
bird 5 cc of ivermectin straight from the bottle. The bird was droopy a day or two, but
snapped right back and live another 6 or so years. If you want to find out more about
ivermectin you can find lots of information about it on the web. I have even called the
Merial and talked to a vet or two there.
Iona McCormick
Quiet Place Farm
Jacksonville, NC USA"

Ivomec has withdrawal for meat (if you were going to eat the bird) but none stated for eggs.
My family and my dogs eat the eggs and if there were a problem with it surely we'd know
about it by now. Ivomec (Merial) is the brand name, ivermectin is generic. I buy generic
Ivomec from Jeffers Supply. Some feed stores carry it. Jeffers has it on sale sometimes
and it is cheaper than my feed store even with shipping. DO NOT GET POUR ON. Pour on is
oil based and will not mix with the water. GET INJECTABLE.

 

[h2oratt]

I use this:

[COLOR=FF0033]De-worming Methods using 1% injectable cattle ivermectin:[/COLOR]
[COLOR=FF0033]Birds up to 6 months old get 1/4 cc of ivermectin in the mouth.  I want to be sure they get a

good dose since they are the most susceptible to parasites and internal parasite damage.  

Grown birds are treated with 1cc of ivermectin per quart of water for 2 days.   Mix a fresh

batch as needed each day. Birds drink what water they need according to size so I don't

worry about them over dosing.  Over dosing isn't really a problem though for it takes a lot

of ivermectin to cause a problem.   A friend did a test on a bantam rooster by giving the

bird 5 cc of ivermectin straight from the bottle.  The bird was droopy a day or two, but

snapped right back and live another 6 or so years.  If you want to find out more about

ivermectin you can find lots of information about it on the web.  I have even called the

Merial and talked to a vet or two there.

Iona McCormick

Quiet Place Farm

Jacksonville, NC USA"[/COLOR]

Ivomec has withdrawal for meat (if you were going to eat the bird) but none stated for eggs.

My family and my dogs eat the eggs and if there were a problem with it surely we'd know

about it by now.  Ivomec (Merial) is the brand name, ivermectin is generic. I buy generic

Ivomec from Jeffers Supply. Some feed stores carry it. Jeffers has it on sale sometimes

and it is cheaper than my feed store even with shipping. DO NOT GET POUR ON. Pour on is

oil based and will not mix with the water. GET INJECTABLE.

Thank you. That's what I have injectable. Bought for the dogs for heart worm preventative. Off label use.

 

[EZFarms]

hmmm well this is interesting, my dads friend brought me a goose that his daughter rescued. its a just hatched baby that was wandering the side of the road, im also finally getting my tom turkey a girlfriend tomorrow lol

 

[ronott1]

Thank you. That's what I have injectable. Bought for the dogs for heart worm preventative. Off label use.

I think ivermectin will work for you. It has some resistance but if you do not have a lot of farms or others using it in your area it will work. It is a good idea to alternate it though, especially for worms. Use ivermectin this time and next time use something like valbazen.

 

[ronott1]

hmmm well this is interesting, my dads friend brought me a goose that his daughter rescued. its a just hatched baby that was wandering the side of the road, im also finally getting my tom turkey a girlfriend tomorrow lol

That is great news!