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Upper Brook House Farm said:
Thanks!! What do you think of the birds? Honest opinions please!!
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Well I think they are great of course. But I think all call ducks are great. . standard or not :p
But I do get that it causes a lot of confusion when someone posts a bird specifying a color when it doesn't match the standard for that color.
Especially for people like me who is just now Trying to learn what is what.
Feel free to stop by my thread sometime and give your opinion as to what I have going on.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...hie-dux-thread.1226975/page-434#post-20725390
 
I completely agree with you, some people really confuse you and if you’re not an expert you can certainly get a wrong image of a bird.
Any photos of your calls?? And ask me any questions you need help with!! I can help!
shawluvsbirds said:
Well I think they are great of course. But I think all call ducks are great. . standard or not :p
But I do get that it causes a lot of confusion when someone posts a bird specifying a color when it doesn't match the standard for that color.
Especially for people like me who is just now Trying to learn what is what.
Feel free to stop by my thread sometime and give your opinion as to what I have going on.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...hie-dux-thread.1226975/page-434#post-20725390
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Upper Brook House Farm said:
I completely agree with you, some people really confuse you and if you’re not an expert you can certainly get a wrong image of a bird.
Any photos of your calls?? And ask me any questions you need help with!! I can help!
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Well, let's not hijack phantoms thread. :)
If you want you can go to my thread that I linked and check out our conversation over there between me and @Pyxis and friends and give your opinions. I have tons of pics there. Pyxis is very knowledgeable about color genetics as well.. She's probably forgotten more information than I have learned. :gigBut I am sure she doesn't mind chatting with others who have experience as well.
 
Upper Brook House Farm said:
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Abacots are called snowy in the USA, and are silver (spotty) call ducks but with an extra added gene which overpowers the silver genes. This is called the abacot colouration gene (ACG).
The silver photo isn’t a proper silver, silver Calls are incredibly hard to get right. I’ve included a photo of the best silver in Europe, who is the mother to my silver breeding duck. This is what a proper silver looks like.

The silver you included has a half-gene of the abacot colouration, so appears to have a white underbelly as silvers should, but a fawn hood as abacots should have. This means if you breed off her, she will produce 50% abacot and 50% silver, providing the Drake also has a half-gene of ACG.

The Americans are currently importing top silvers into the USA, to get the correct standard, as their silvers heads have too much graining (around the eyes.)

The silver is classed as a ‘Silver’ type call duck and an abacot call duck is classed as a ‘Marked Silver’ call duck.

I’ve included a photo of my prize winning abacot Drake (Best in the country in 2017) and abacot duck. I’ve also included a photo of the silver duck who is the mum to mine, as comparison.

Hope this helps!
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In Calls in the US, a snowy Call is a call that has two copies of the li^h harlequin gene but otherwise has the genetics of a regular gray Call. Spot is one copy of li^h, and then also one copy of li Light Phase. The two interact to form the lighter Spot color.

I'm thinking then that your Abacot is a double dose of harlequin. Or are you saying that it's a totally separate new gene just called ACG? If so, which locus is it at on the chromosome? Is it at the locus of the other color phase genes?

What is the genotype of your Abacot and the genotype of your Spot? If you can tell me that, then I'll know for sure which colors are the same :) Like this, this is the genotype of a gray Call drake; can you write this out for your Abacot and Spot?

M+M+ Li+Li+ e+e+ bl+bl+ C+C+ B+B+ r+r+ D+D+ Bu+Bu+

The picture of your drake looks to me just like a snowy here in the US, as does the hen. The picture on the magazine cover looks like what we call Spot here. So I'm thinking what we call Spot you call Silver, and what we call Snowy you call Abacot. Different names for the same colors.

It appears I just had the color names wrong, since everyone usually says that silver in the UK is snowy here in US, or at least that's what I've always read. It seems instead that it's actually Abacot that is analogous to Snowy.

Here's a genetics calculator that has all the colors on them, though the names might be different from what you call them since the creator of the calculator is Dutch. To me, Abacot like you're describing falls under snowy. Silver falls under Spot. Or perhaps 'silver spot' which is regular spot but also dusky.

http://kippenjungle.nl/kruisingEend.html
 
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Pyxis said:
In Calls in the US, a snowy Call is a call that has two copies of the li^h harlequin gene but otherwise has the genetics of a regular gray Call. Spot is one copy of li^h, and then also one copy of li Light Phase. The two interact to form the lighter Spot color.

I'm thinking then that your Abacot is a double dose of harlequin. Or are you saying that it's a totally separate new gene just called ACG? If so, which locus is it at on the chromosome? Is it at the locus of the other color phase genes?

What is the genotype of your Abacot and the genotype of your Spot? If you can tell me that, then I'll know for sure which colors are the same :)

The picture of your drake looks to me just like a snowy here in the US, as does the hen. The picture on the magazine cover looks like what we call Spot here. So I'm thinking what we call Spot you call Silver, and what we call Snowy you call Abacot. Different names for the same colors.

It appears I just had the color names wrong, since everyone usually says that silver in the UK is snowy here in US, or at least that's what I've always read. It seems instead that it's actually Abacot that is analogous to Snowy.

Here's a genetics calculator that has all the colors on them, though the names might be different from what you call them since the creator of the calculator is Dutch. To me, Abacot like you're describing falls under snowy. Silver falls under Spot. Or perhaps 'silver spot' which is regular spot but also dusky.

http://kippenjungle.nl/kruisingEend.html
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Pyxis said:
In Calls in the US, a snowy Call is a call that has two copies of the li^h harlequin gene but otherwise has the genetics of a regular gray Call. Spot is one copy of li^h, and then also one copy of li Light Phase. The two interact to form the lighter Spot color.

I'm thinking then that your Abacot is a double dose of harlequin. Or are you saying that it's a totally separate new gene just called ACG? If so, which locus is it at on the chromosome? Is it at the locus of the other color phase genes?

What is the genotype of your Abacot and the genotype of your Spot? If you can tell me that, then I'll know for sure which colors are the same :) Like this, this is the genotype of a gray Call drake; can you write this out for your Abacot and Spot?

M+M+ Li+Li+ e+e+ bl+bl+ C+C+ B+B+ r+r+ D+D+ Bu+Bu+

The picture of your drake looks to me just like a snowy here in the US, as does the hen. The picture on the magazine cover looks like what we call Spot here. So I'm thinking what we call Spot you call Silver, and what we call Snowy you call Abacot. Different names for the same colors.

It appears I just had the color names wrong, since everyone usually says that silver in the UK is snowy here in US, or at least that's what I've always read. It seems instead that it's actually Abacot that is analogous to Snowy.

Here's a genetics calculator that has all the colors on them, though the names might be different from what you call them since the creator of the calculator is Dutch. To me, Abacot like you're describing falls under snowy. Silver falls under Spot. Or perhaps 'silver spot' which is regular spot but also dusky.

http://kippenjungle.nl/kruisingEend.html
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:bow.......:thumbsup......:woot.. :idunno....I just love my Calls...:confused:
I don't think I need to have show quality Call Ducks to be proud of my Birds...
 
chickens really said:
:bow.......:thumbsup......:woot.. :idunno....I just love my Calls...:confused:
I don't think I need to have show quality Call Ducks to be proud of my Birds...
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Absolutely. .And I hope I didn't seem to imply otherwise. I just like to see what the "standard" colors are supposed to look like so I will know what I'm looking at when I see it.
None of mine are show quality either And I don't care either they are my babies anyway. :wee
 

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