Can someone define silver pied to me

[Trefoil]

So what is your take on Brad's article. Is he saying any pied WE bird is silver pied if it has lots of white or do you think he is saying or implying that there is a mutation of the WE gene that makes silver pied different from pied white eye?

I don't think you are being difficult at all. I just think the definition already exists, we just may not have the knowledge to understand it.


Edited to include: Would the UPA recognize pied white eye separately from silver pied if there is not a mutation involved?

Sorry about the skip in time between parts of the article, it took me awhile trying to understand. I Think he is saying that silver pied is a mutation of the white eyed gene, because he says that without the WE, there would be no SP. But that may not have been what he meant because he went on to say "As with breeding any pied pattern of peafowl the ratio is 1-2-1. When breeding Silver Pied to Silver Pied you get an average of 25% white, 50 % Silver Pied, 25% Dark Pied “White-Eyed”. So doesn't that suggest that he see's SP as just a convenient way of saying a white bird with we and 10-20% color? Also, in his 1-2-1 ratio, is he calling a dark pied any bird with over 20% color? Does that mean that "officially" there is only silver pied and pied, and that loud and dark are just a convenient way of implying the amount of white? I think he is saying that the "frosting" comes with age and therefore wouldn't be considered a prerequisite for a young bird to be silver pied.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

If silver always corresponds to pied wonder why it hasn't been bred seperatly to come up with an all silver bird? My silver pied hens looks very close to the same color as my Opal hens,almost in comparison to cameo and peach along with India Blue and Midnight only being a shade diffrential between them,

 

[Dany12]

My silver pied hens looks very close to the same color as my Opal hens,

No white at all ?

 

[frenchblackcopper]

Yes,she has a lot of white but her silver pigment looks Opal color to me

 

[AugeredIn]

Again I would ask why would the UPA recognize both pied white eye and silver pied if there were not a genetic difference. You should also read my link to Deermans comments.

 

[DylansMom]

..and she definitely has WE going on as well. If she came from silver pied parent it would have to be full WE.

On a hen would the frosty feathers versus the straight white feathers running down the back, be indicative of 1 copy WE versus 2 copies WE or is it not related at all?

 

[autumnmfisher]

ok from chick pictures I was told Houdina is a silver pied.
I don't see this silvery look to her colored feathers...
I mean theres a little you can see on her wing feathers there, but its more of a speckled white, not silvery... so is she not silver pied but loud? I know nothing
first pict shes the one in front, with just dark spot on her back and head. 2nd pict is 14 weeks and other two are recent - two years.
I don't know how to look at her and "see" if she has the genes.

 

[DylansMom]

ok from chick pictures I was told Houdina is a silver pied.
I don't see this silvery look to her colored feathers...
I mean theres a little you can see on her wing feathers there, but its more of a speckled white, not silvery... so is she not silver pied but loud? I know nothing
first pict shes the one in front, with just dark spot on her back and head. 2nd pict is 14 weeks and other two are recent - two years.
I don't know how to look at her and "see" if she has the genes.

I'm gonna have to go with loud pied. I have 2 silver hens and neither has brown feathers like that. Here are pics of both of mine

 

[Dany12]

Autumnmfisher ... this peahen Pied must be mated with a very white peacock Pied !

When I look at photos of Hopkins farm .... especially the young Peacock 6 months and 1 year ... I have serious doubts!
If experts tell jokes .... where we go ?

http://www.hopkinslivestock.com/India Blue Silver Pied.htm

 

[zazouse]

Putting this here for my future reference.
I have silver pieds coming and with my IB whites and IB white eyed pieds i hope to get more silver later on down the road

This is from Hopkins
Silver Pied X Silver Pied = 25% White; 25% Dark Silver Pied White Eyed; 50% Silver Pied
Silver Pied X White = 50% Silver Pied; 50% White
Dark Silver Pied White Eyed X Silver Pied = 50% Silver Pied; 50% Dark Silver Pied White Eyed
Dark Silver Pied White Eyed X White = 100% Silver Pied