Can you sex this black shoulder brood please?

In the bottom photo I see 2 males both on the right side, one next to mama and the one below. I do know that the males have more bleck and start to get green feathers on the base/neck area and the females get the green later.
 
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inly the 2 darker ones had any shiny feathers on their backs with green, the other 2 were just muddy
 

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