I called my vet; not to get him to do the caponizations, but to show me how to do it. I asked to watch him once and then to do one, under his supervision and then perhaps just one more to cement it in, but his wife called me back and said he doesn't do that anymore. They referred me to a bird hospital in New Orleans. So I asked them the same. They would preform the surgery for me, but they woudn't teach me. So I told them that wouldn't help me, because it wouldn't be cost effective, unless I knew how to do it. We're all on our own I guess. I think I can do it.