Cat territory question

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Does keep a cat on one's property (like a fixed barn cat) help to keep away wandering ferals that are looking for new territory? Or would that completely backfire and just draw more in? I have no experience keeping cats and am finding a lot of conflicting and fuzzy info on whether cats attract or repel other cats, or if it's mostly just a matter of whether they're fixed or not like with dogs...or if it's an issue of how food is distributed to the cats, etc. Any cat I would keep would be rabies vaccinated, spayed/neutered, fed/sheltered properly, and given routine vet care, and not just left out to fend for itself. The feral cats in question are, of course, completely unvaccinated and often carrying other assortments of parasites/diseases, and this winter they have been very aggressive in trying to get my chickens out of desperation (my chickens don't generally free range; they are predator-secure as much as I can manage but the most recent problem cat snuck in and was trying to open coop doors even as I was basically right there going to/from the enclosure doing routine stuff!). Rabies and occasional rabid cats are also unfortunately a thing in this area.

My dog's presence has been extremely effective at pusing back other canids and many other animals away from my house and poultry areas, just from her scent alone. I never even see tracks from them even quite far out on the property. She does not repel cats though; they are the only thing that truly doesn't care about her at all unless she chases them - and they'e gotten pretty good at avoiding her while still being a problem. Most people here who have poultry or other farm animals in a serious way have both a dog and a cat, although I think most people keep the cats for rodents, which is not an issue for me since I control those in other ways.

If there are better cat-deterrence methods for a large property I am open to suggestions, but I'm not looking for info on trapping or other more drastic cat-removal methods. I already know what my options are in that domain. I would just really rather push unwanted cats away more naturally, similarly to how foxes/coyotes stay away with my dog's territory, if it's at all possible to do such a thing.
 
This is the basis of TrapNeuterRelease programs. Simply removing feral cat colonies doesn't work because there's always another stray who's going to see the territory as useful/desirable and move in once it's cleared. By sterilizing the resident ferals and releasing them you actually keep the cat population down because they're not producing kittens and they keep new intact ferals from moving in.

In your situation though it's unlikely to have the desired effect. One cat vs multiple strays is more likely to go in the strays' favor. You'd be spending money on vet bills from cat fights and still have the problem cats hanging around.
 
Unfortunately this is a common problem. My cousin keeps a bunch of cats over at his house and has no rats but he doesn't feed the cats like he should. I have seen his cats try to attack my chickens before but to my knowledge they've never killed one. My advise is use rat proof automatic feeders and keep your place free of trash,scraps and clutter so the rats have nothing to eat and nowhere to hide.(Local wildlife eat every wild rat they can catch)Always store your feed in metal cans with tight fitting lids so nothing eats free
 
Does keep a cat on one's property (like a fixed barn cat) help to keep away wandering ferals that are looking for new territory? Or would that completely backfire and just draw more in? I have no experience keeping cats and am finding a lot of conflicting and fuzzy info on whether cats attract or repel other cats, or if it's mostly just a matter of whether they're fixed or not like with dogs...or if it's an issue of how food is distributed to the cats, etc. Any cat I would keep would be rabies vaccinated, spayed/neutered, fed/sheltered properly, and given routine vet care, and not just left out to fend for itself. The feral cats in question are, of course, completely unvaccinated and often carrying other assortments of parasites/diseases, and this winter they have been very aggressive in trying to get my chickens out of desperation (my chickens don't generally free range; they are predator-secure as much as I can manage but the most recent problem cat snuck in and was trying to open coop doors even as I was basically right there going to/from the enclosure doing routine stuff!). Rabies and occasional rabid cats are also unfortunately a thing in this area.

My dog's presence has been extremely effective at pusing back other canids and many other animals away from my house and poultry areas, just from her scent alone. I never even see tracks from them even quite far out on the property. She does not repel cats though; they are the only thing that truly doesn't care about her at all unless she chases them - and they'e gotten pretty good at avoiding her while still being a problem. Most people here who have poultry or other farm animals in a serious way have both a dog and a cat, although I think most people keep the cats for rodents, which is not an issue for me since I control those in other ways.

If there are better cat-deterrence methods for a large property I am open to suggestions, but I'm not looking for info on trapping or other more drastic cat-removal methods. I already know what my options are in that domain. I would just really rather push unwanted cats away more naturally, similarly to how foxes/coyotes stay away with my dog's territory, if it's at all possible to do such a thing.

"The feral cats in question are, of course, completely unvaccinated and often carrying other assortments of parasites/diseases, and this winter they have been very aggressive in trying to get my chickens out of desperation"

The number #1 reason I'm against using 'barn cats' to kill rats is they are forced to eat rats for survival.They will also have to fight the strays if that come on your property and be exposed to the same diseases
 
We have six cats so that is different then what most people have. However, they are all fixed but the kitten who goes February. Our male cats REFUSE to let a stray/feral stay on our property. They will fight them away. If it is just one cat it would be outnumbered. You would need to trap and from there dispatch/rehome/shelter the ferals/strays. I wouldn't let a feral population stay without at least fixing them, because that introduces kittens that will be wild and disease.
 
This is the basis of TrapNeuterRelease programs. Simply removing feral cat colonies doesn't work because there's always another stray who's going to see the territory as useful/desirable and move in once it's cleared. By sterilizing the resident ferals and releasing them you actually keep the cat population down because they're not producing kittens and they keep new intact ferals from moving in.

In your situation though it's unlikely to have the desired effect. One cat vs multiple strays is more likely to go in the strays' favor. You'd be spending money on vet bills from cat fights and still have the problem cats hanging around.

I don't typically deal with multiple cats all at once. I'm just far enough away from the place where the feral cats are being produced that I just one at a time trying to edge in most of the time. I suppose it's whoever is lowest on the ladder at the time gets kicked out towards my property, then eventually done in by something (cars, predators, etc).

Does relative size of the cats factor into avoiding actual fights at all? Like if I had a really big breed 2x the size of the feral ones? The feral population cats are not that big; I don't know whether that's down to genetics or malnutrition/starvation but they're always on the small side. My dog is much bigger than the predators she keeps away. I'm sure her being close to 100lbs and leaving the occasional dinosaur-sized turd at the perimeter probably helps quite a bit compared to if she was a much smaller breed. But if cats really do just go right to fistycuffs to settle every single turf dispute, then that's a problem...and I of course would not want even a big cat to be subjected to constant torment even if a size advantage let it technically "win" each time. I would hope for less overall animal abuse not more.
 
Our kitty squishy before he passed away was small, but he was feisty if a feral came into our yard! He was right with the big cats chasing it off!
 
Unfortunately this is a common problem. My cousin keeps a bunch of cats over at his house and has no rats but he doesn't feed the cats like he should. I have seen his cats try to attack my chickens before but to my knowledge they've never killed one. My advise is use rat proof automatic feeders and keep your place free of trash,scraps and clutter so the rats have nothing to eat and nowhere to hide.(Local wildlife eat every wild rat they can catch)Always store your feed in metal cans with tight fitting lids so nothing eats free
I don't have any problem with rats, and only minimal issue with mice at this point (it was bad when I first moved to the property but I've progressively cleaned it up). That's why I've never really thought about a cat before; there's not really any traditional mouser niche for one.

Also even if you have cats to keep rats and mice away you still need to feed them! That is just cruel not to.
If I had a cat, it would be getting cat food as its staple diet; no hunting expectation. Rodents are minimal; I don't even get much in the way of squirrels around my house these days. I get a pretty good idea of what's here in the winters in particular since everything leaves tracks, tunnels, or other trails of some sort. I think the lack of rodent supply is probably why the cats that have come to my property so far this winter have been so fixated on my chickens.
 
They will also have to fight the strays if that come on your property and be exposed to the same diseases
Are there common diseases for cats that can't be vaccinated against or protected against with a monthly pill type thing?

I know I keep comparing to my dog, but between vaccines and monthly prevenatives I think she's basically protected against anything a wild canid or other feral dog could transmit. I was assuming there would be similar things for cats but that may have been an unfounded assumption.
 

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