Chick death troubleshooting

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Hi guys,

Yesterday I met my first major chick raising bump - 4 out of my 7 chicks died suddenly.

brooder setup: a biggish plastic storage box, "mama heating pad", medicated food, fresh water (changed daily), sand for bedding.

~5 days old chicks, everything went very smoothly from day 1 (or 0?) - they mostly slept through the first day then started to eat, drink, poop, peck and do other chick business. I also used an incandescent lamp for heating, but since some of the chick preferred "mama heating", I switched it off after a couple of days. Everything went well until yesterday night when I cleaned the sand, changed the water. All of the chicks but one went inside their housing afterwards (they always go inside when I switch off the light), one stayed chirping rather loudly. I didn't pay much attention since they occasionally become pretty vocal when disturbed. Later I noticed the loud chirping is still going on which is not normal and found one chick outside the mama lying, chirping, panting and looking pretty bad. There was also one dead chick inside and two more in the similar bad condition. I pulled them out, turned on the heat lamp, tried to give them water (depending on their state they drank), but nothing helped. Shortly they started to have a kind of seizures and died a few minutes after.

I was (and still am) afraid for the remaining 3, but this morning they looked fine. Initially I thought something went wrong with the mama and they got overheated, but the first one showed signs of disturbance outside it. The tote doesn't have a lid on top of it, and the temperature inside feels just like the ambient room one - I think around 70F. The mama pad is considerably warmer, especially if you push yourself up to the heating pad - that's what the chicks do inside. The chicks are free to and do go in and out on their will and it was ok for the first 5 days, so now I'm not inclined they overheated.
They did have a new outside contact earlier that day - my chicken-keeping neighbor who gave us the eggs dropped in for a visit, but no physical contact.

Any ideas how understand and what to lean from this situation is greatly appreciated. The most disturbing fact is that it happened extremely fast and there were absolutely no symptoms (or I simply didn't see them).

Since it's my first ever experience with chicken, me and my daughter got emotionally attached to them, nevertheless I don't want to give up. The next batch is already in the incubator, and I'm sure there going to be more.

Mike.
 
I don't think that the mama heat pad is very reliable and I think that you would do better with a heat lamp the possible cause may have been that if you put new sand in it was probably cold and the mama thing couldn't heat it up they are only young so maybe to cold I also don't know what you mean by medicated feed but I bring mine up on "ordinary chick crumb" and they have all lived I don't have a problem with sand and use it myself but it needs to be warm and dry maybe there was something in the sand children's play sand should be fine so long as not taken from an outside sand pit sorry for your loss recently lost mine to a fox (hate the animals) and know how it feels
 
that looks really good but like an electric blanket it can go wrong quite easily the heat lamp heats the whole brooder therefor any chick that is for some reason too weak to move it is alround heated
 
I don't think that the mama heat pad is very reliable and I think that you would do better with a heat lamp the possible cause may have been that if you put new sand in it was probably cold and the mama thing couldn't heat it up they are only young so maybe to cold I also don't know what you mean by medicated feed but I bring mine up on "ordinary chick crumb" and they have all lived I don't have a problem with sand and use it myself but it needs to be warm and dry maybe there was something in the sand children's play sand should be fine so long as not taken from an outside sand pit sorry for your loss recently lost mine to a fox (hate the animals) and know how it feels

I actually think the pad itself is more reliable than a light bulb - it doesn't burn out. I was actually having a problem finding a heat lamp for such a small setup - 250W is the minimum I saw, it'd turn such a small brooder into a grill. I ended up with an ordinary reflector lamp, but two of them for reliability would probably be too much either.
I'd pay more attention for the sand temperature - I definitely stir it up while cleaning, though it'd be the same under a heating lamp. I use a "new" sand from a home depot (not a silica one), and at this occasion I didn't add any, just removed the soiled spots. The sand gets sometimes wen near the waterer, but dries out quickly, so it's definitely dry, at least the top layer.
Medicated feed - it's just what our feeder store sells. I think it's just a starter feed with some antibiotics added.
 
So do you know what the temperature is under it at chick height?

I'll check the temperature, from the feel it probably varies 70-90 depending on the spot. I think the idea is like with the heater lamp - the temperature varies with the exact spot and chicks are free to chose where they feel comfortable. As with the heating lamp where they can go to the furthest corner, they can just get out of the mama heating pad to cool down.
 
a heat bulb in an ordinary lamp should be ok though check the wattage please send pic of brooder and hope the rest are fine where do you get the sand ie straight out a bag from the shop (b&q Homebase or whatever you have) or from a sandpit is the sand washed and maybe the antibiotics are not good for those particular 4 chicks
 
a heat bulb in an ordinary lamp should be ok though check the wattage please send pic of brooder and hope the rest are fine where do you get the sand ie straight out a bag from the shop (b&q Homebase or whatever you have) or from a sandpit is the sand washed and maybe the antibiotics are not good for those particular 4 chicks

The sand is straight out of the bag, no kids involved :)
I'll try to take pictures and post them when I get home.
 

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