Chicken and Turkey Killing Dog! HELP!!!!

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Hey everyone,
I'm having a MAJOR problem that I am hoping someone can come up with some advice on how to solve. Two of my four dachshunds have suddenly decided they enjoy killing my chickens and turkeys! The killers are twin brothers, who, up until this year were the most lovable and generally well behaved dogs you could meet. One is definitely an "alpha", while the other is very very submissive and laid back (he is #4 in the pack).

We got our chickens in March, and the dogs didn't seem to be too interested in them. After they got used to living in their coop and run, we started letting them free range around the property. One day, I found one that looked like it had been mauled, but it was still alive, and with some care, it ultimately survived. We thought a cat or a hawk had tried to get at it, as there are a lot of outdoor cats in our area, we never suspected the dogs. So time goes on, the chickens get bigger, we cull out the roosters, and no problems with the dogs other than the occasional "lets chase the chickens!". In fact, the one who is now the main killer dog would actually guard them while they played under their favorite pine tree.

Some more time passes, and round about July 10th, we got two pullets to add to our flock, and two day-old broad breasted bronze turkeys. The turkeys we kept separate because they were so tiny, but the pullets we put right into the run to acclimate to their new surroundings while we locked the girls up for the pullets' safety. After about 10 minutes of supervision of the chickens and no signs of aggression from the dogs (interest but no attempts to bite or get at them), I went into the house to continue doing some work, the dogs remained loose in the fenced yard, as is usual for them, but the door to the chicken run was closed and locked, as is also usual. 15 minutes later, I came back out to check on the pullets, and the dogs had dug UNDER the fence, killed BOTH pullets and had brought them back up onto the deck to pluck and dismember them. There were chicken parts EVERYWHERE, needless to say I was horrified by what they had done, and the dogs all got a good spanking and locked up in their crate.

Time passes, and we have not replaced the two pullets, the turkeys are now old enough to be out of their brooder box, they are about as big as our hens, and are adjusting nicely. We socialized the turkeys really well and they follow us everywhere when they are loose, including up onto our deck where they like to nap on the dog beds. One of them even had a favorite pillow he liked to sit on. The dogs are NEVER allowed to have any unsupervised contact with them, have shown no signs of repeat aggression and have not the least bit of interest in the chickens when they are loose either. Last Sunday morning, while I was cleaning the kitchen and my husband was supervising outside, the twins (#1 dog and #4 dog) and our puppy to a lesser extent, ran down my favorite turkey and killed him before my husband could get to them to stop the attack. So turkey #1 is gone. THEN this morning, our other turkey must have flown over the fence, and when I went to check for eggs at 11, I found her mangled corpse right next to the back of the coop. Our female and the puppy were nearby, but the twins were covered in blood and feathers.

There was also a baby robin that fell into the yard which my husband recently found them chewing on as well.

So it appears that I now have at least two and possibly three little chicken killing monsters! These are show dogs, not mutts that you can shoot or give away, so them leaving my home is not an option, but my hens and turkeys need to be safe! The dogs behavior has continued to escalate despite discipline being imposed and 24 hour a day supervision is simply not realistic. What I'm worried about now is that they will start to try for my laying hens.

I've read about beating the dog with the carcass of the bird they killed and then tying it around his neck for several days and ignoring the dog completely but for food and water. I'm at my wits end with this and I'm willing to subject them to whatever treatment is necessary, as long as it is truly effective. #1 dog is currently tied up behind the house with the turkey's body tied to his neck and the others are locked in their crate.

Has anyone used this method to break a dog of his chicken killing habit? Does anyone know a better or more effective way to deal with this problem short of a .22?
 
One a dog [especially a hunting dog, and doxies are that] gets a taste for blood... there is no stopping them. YOU will have to lock up the doggies when you free range..........I owned a fox terrier BONIFIED CRITTER KILLER, and that was the only way to stop it. There is NO behavior modification once this starts......believe me...it is the most stress-free way to do it.....:)
 
Well I correct my dogs with time outs when they do anything bad, even growl at a chicken or try to steal an egg so the bad behavior stops. I would get some hardwire, like a foot or two, and put it around as a dig proof skirt for your hens safety. You can break a dog's instinct by making sure they know that they aren't thinking they are alpha over the chickens, making them lower in the pecking order.
 
When we first got our chickens we put them inside an electric fence, and our sheep dog decided he would go and "play" with them. Unfortunately he also decided to lick the fence and he got shocked. He has always thought that it was the chickens that got him and he doesn't mess with them. You could try this, although I'm not sure that it will work now that the dogs have a taste for them.
 
Put up an electric fence. You'll have to place multiple strands according to your dog's height. Place one strand close to the ground. Your dogs will never be trustworthy guardians of the flock. And remember Doxies dig. They'll dig under any fence unless your bury your fence-skirt. They are not bad dogs, they are simply dogs who think they've found the best doggie toy ever.
 
I agree with the other postings. Prepare your coop as if you had veracious predators around. Electrify the fence and put wire down under the ground to thwart their digging. I would also consider a pen to keep the dogs in when the chickens free range.
 
Thanks for all your suggestions everyone! I tried the carcass and isolation treatment on Saturday, and Cisco (alpha dog) has been avoiding the chickens since then, but I still don't trust him. We fortified the chicken coop, but I think we also need to raise the walls b/c both of our EE's like to jump the fence to go forage in the mornings.
Also it looks like the "treatment" had an unexpected effect. Cisco's "place" in the pack seems to now be in question with the other dogs, and he has been marking EVERYWHERE, including in the house, so he's had to be banished to the yard or in his crate. He's also pooping in the house out of what appears to be revenge (yes folks, he is a dachshund and he IS smart enough to plot revenge). Stay tuned for further updates on the results of the "carcass treatment".
 

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