chicken-training my doberman not going so well. tips?

Phoenixxx

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Two weeks ago tomorrow, we adopted a 4 yo doberman rescue. He's a wonderful boy but has certainly been a challenge! Whenever I think I've broken him of chasing chickens, next thing I know, he wants them again!

My training method: every couple hours we walk the property. When he gets into stalking posture I tell him, "higgins, no. We leave the babies alone." Most of the time now that works and he'll break focus and resume walking. When he actually lunges for them, I hold fast on the leash, grab his harness with my other hand and sharply pull him backwards while saying, "higgins, NO! we LEAVE THE BABIES ALONE!" Then I hold him in position until he calms his urges, breaks focus and continues walking. Sometimes this doesn't work, though, and he lunges again, at which point I repeat the correction. If it doesn't look like he'll break focus on his own, I do it with a light tug or nudge and a, "come on, let's go this way. Leave the babies alone." Occasionally I will haul him into the house and make him lie down.

Now, there are times when he'll lay down in the yard with the chickens in full view and can't be bothered by them! Many times he also crosses their paths and simply ignores them. I can sit him down just outside the coop, tell him "stay", and he won't budge until I'm done my duties and tell him he can get up. He also will not hurt a chick when I bring one to sit with us on the couch!

I did find out that the chase instinct is part of the doberman breed. I'm thinking he's probably only chasing them (trying to - I never actually let him) because, as a doberman, he HAS to chase SOMETHING. That being said, I'm thinking we need to give him something else he can chase. Problem is, he doesn't know how to play (we're working on that!) and flat-out refuses to fetch or chase a frisbee or ball. He's already eaten most of the bees so I'm kinda running out of them, too :lau

Can anybody give me some tips? New methods? Other advice? Thanks!
 
Well, its all in personal preference, but these work well for the serious training (not killing animals for instance). You shock him with the remote when he tries to lunge or chase the chickens. Hope this helps!!
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Yeah, the rescue agency used that to break him of chasing cars. I'm not quite sure how I feel about shock collars and my husband is against them. I also heard they're being made illegal where we are. I'll definitely keep it in the back of my mind, though; doggy pulling on his collar can't be good on his throat, so the collar may even be the "nicer" alternative in that respect.
 
yeah...i don't love them, but right now i have to use them because my dog (the one in my avatar) has a serious problem with biting people who play rough or touch me, which is only handy if someone is trying to hurt me. I would rather him get shocked than put to sleep :) I didn't know about them being illegal in some areas...i'll have to keep that in mind and check into ordinances. Chasing cars is pretty dangerous.....Good luck with him!!!!
 
Shock collars are a great tool, and like any training device, can be used badly. You need to work with a trainer; maybe someone in the rescue where he came from would help? LOTS of training time! He's figuring out where he fits into his new family, so focus on making the right thing easy, and the wrong thing hard. He MIGHT be convinced to be safe around the chickens, or not. But still a wonderful dog, just separate from those tasty birds. Mary
 
Shock collars are a great tool, and like any training device, can be used badly.  You need to work with a trainer;  maybe someone in the rescue where he came from would help?  LOTS of training time!  He's figuring out where he fits into his new family, so focus on making the right thing easy, and the wrong thing hard.  He MIGHT be convinced to be safe around the chickens, or not.  But still a wonderful dog, just separate from those tasty birds.  Mary


Thanks :)

Yeah, the guy did offer to help with training. They're also a 2-hour drive away and I don't think the situation is serious enough to warrant having him come down.Funny thing is, Higgins couldn't be bothered with their chickens and ducks (he was advertised as good with livestock :p ) but then, they had some ENORMOUS pigs that were much more fun to bother! I don't happen to have any pigs, though, lol!

I only work 2 days a week so he's getting training morning til night the other 5 days. There is a lot to learn, though, in addition to the chickens, so it's very possible he's a bit overwhelmed. I don't think his original home was a good one; apparently he was stuck in a basement suite and very likely neglected, maybe even abused. He's very "needy" and the BIGGEST sucky-puppy ever! Yup, an oversized lap dog that loves gettin his lovins! :lol:
 
I took an additional step today. I don't know why, but he's just had it in for my rooster ALL DAY (I think he senses my husband's hate for the noisy bird!), way more than usual. I was just in the coop letting the older babies out and Red was dumb enough to go right in front of me and start pecking at crumbs in the dirt.... so, I took the opportunity and snatched him up. I brought him down to the deck, had my husband grab the dog, and did a proper face-to-face introduction. ("How'd you catch him? Can we chop his head off now?") Anyway, don't know if that'll make a difference, but the dog stayed sitting and kept averting his gaze as if to say, "I know, I know, protect not hurt. Can you stop the temptation already?"
 
Shock collars are not a bad device if used correctly. They can cause damage if used incorrectly, both psychologically and physically. There is another device that uses citronella instead of electric. Maybe that might be a possibility?
 
I doubt that dogs think citronella is kinder; they have such sensitive noses! If you've never had a Dobe, they are ALL incredibly needy; think two year old child who can't stand mommy in the bathroom alone. Mary
 
I've seen citronella used more often in bark collars than anywhere else and they seem to be somewhat successful. I am not against electric collars. I just cringe when I hear people tell me they are using them for this or that and have no idea the correct methods for using a shock collar. This is why I like to give people other options or like you, suggest working with someone experienced in these training techniques.

The behavior specialist at the school I attend is a big fan of trying citronella, which is why I mentioned it! A puff of air or spray if water may also have a similar effect and may be worth trying. In the beginning, a lot of these techniques will be to distract the animal to get their attention back on you.
 
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