Chickens for 10-20 years or more? Pull up a rockin' chair and lay some wisdom on us!

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bee i have a question for you. i know you raise meaties. so what percentage feed do you use. i switched to a mill grain feed and it is 16 percent. i am doing some meaties now but i tried freedom rangers this time. they are ok but cornish x is much more bang for the buck. my meaties are raised with the layers.
 
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That's all I ever feed....if nothing else is available I'll make myself buy the pre-bagged commercial feeds but I hate feeding it to my chickens. Get a bag of fresh milled, farmer mixed feed and the leading brand of commercially marketed feed and open them side by side, look at the color, smell them, examine the grain pieces.....what you are seeing is the difference between a small, local mill and a huge, commercial mill, with the feed from the huge mill being stored for week/months in large storehouses, trucked around the nation in trucks and sitting in the storeroom of your local TSC until it finds itself in your coop. The commercial feed is grayish-tan, has little smell that has anything to do with grain and doesn't really resemble anything that has come from a whole grain in the past. It sort of looks like Grape Nuts Cereal....
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...mystery meal in a bag.


OR you can go directly to the local mill, get the same percentages of nutrients but it will be fresh out of the mill, tied at the neck that day by good ol' minimum wage farm kids and hefted right into your truck. You open it up and it's golden, it smells like it was just harvested and most of the time it was and it was from a local harvest...it smells good enough for US to eat and the chickens show a distinct preference for the fresh milled grains. The older the grain, the sooner it loses nutrients...and all the more after it's been ground.

Which would you rather feed?
Thank you Bee....I'll give the milled feed a try and see if the flock (all raised on the commercial crumbles) will go for it.
 
I have a question for you guys on breeding. What are your opinions on brother to sister matings? I've heard people talk like if you breed a brother to sister even once you will get poor, deformed birds. I've heard others say that it's fine as long as you don't do it for more than 2 generations or repeatedly. I am interested in hearing from those who have found what's tried and true.
One half bro to half sister has been used with success for years. You are increasing the common parent's genes. Full brother to full sister is just a rescrambling of the existing genes, and can bring up all sorts of recessives you'd rather have left in the closet.
 
I'm on it...give me a little time and I'll compile the OT info into a nice little handbook of OT favorite methods. It won't cost an arm and a leg and it will be priceless, it will have a tough little cover that will keep it safe while you refer to it over the years or keep it in your coop. It won't have a history of the breeds, pics of all the breeds, or even a glossary of chicken maladies and what to do about them.....for that you will have to consult the people who have illness in their flocks all the time for they are the experts on that. The OTs have managed to work around to NOT having weird health issues, so I'll concentrate on preventative husbandry instead of curatives for mismanaged flocks.
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Well thank you for the kind words. Some folks think I come across as a kind of a cranky old guy. BTW: I'm not 74 until Oct....so don't rush things. I think one of the keys to staying "young" is to think young and stay active. Most don't know this but I am also a big motorsports fan and actively race a car I have built at least twice a month from March to Nov. My biggest problem these days is doing something that seems like no big deal....like carrying a 50# sack of feed on my shoulder out to the back 40 and find a few days later that I have hurt some things. I have to figure out how to keep what I think I can do in perspective with what I can do.
Boy can I identify with that! Since my son left home and my husband died, and I must do all things necessary to keep this place running (BTW - I wouldn't trade a minute of it!) I have re-purposed my husband's golf cart. A bale of hay/straw is easily transported to "the back 40" and that 50# bag of feed is first poured into 2 plastic totes so I only have to lift 25# at time. I'm not near 74, but being a bone cancer survivor, my bones are weak and brittle, so I have to find ways around certain problems. I really should give up the horses and milk goats, but, since they "produce oxygen," I'm afraid there won't be enough air! LOL

My son races cars on circle dirt tracks around this area...has a ball. Grandson will start, I am sure, as soon as he can! Good on you!
 
There are all kinds of theory's about what is best for breeding. I line breed (father to daughter/mother to son) The reality is that there is a good chance that the birds/chicks you get are brother and sister anyway. Do some reading and decide what sounds best for your breeding plan. My plan is to have my birds look alike but most importantly to perform the role they were designed for.

As beekissed noted, you aren't going to get three eyed six legged chickens cuz they are brother and sister. A large flock on range has a lot of diversity, so they will evolve into whatever works best for them....if you don't try to save the unthrifty birds. The best show birds come from a broody that raises them up. I use broody's more than I do incubators. Just one of the things I think works best for me and I'm also lazy, so this takes some time off my plate.

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I'm line breeding as well, but as it is I have 2 extra birds, a brother and sister, that do not fit into my project. If I were to breed these 2, I should get some nice looking frizzles with the traits I am looking for. However, weaker birds is definitely not something I want to have. If I can not use the cockerel for this purpose without consequence then I see no reason in keeping him, though I really like the looks of him and his personality. Same goes for the pullet. Do you think that it would be fine to breed this brother and sister to each other? One is smooth feathered and one is a frizzle so it's not like they've got the exact same genes. I've got a frizzle pen and 2 sizzle pens. My goal is to get the sizzles to meet the silkie standard and to get the frizzles to have the desired frizzle traits and to breed true. When I accomplish this, I will start selling hatching eggs if anyone wants them. The silkie and sizzle hens are my broodies and great mommas.
Edited to add: this cockerel and pullet are full siblings (same mom, same dad), which is what's got me nervous about it
 
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I'm line breeding as well, but as it is I have 2 extra birds, a brother and sister, that do not fit into my project. If I were to breed these 2, I should get some nice looking frizzles with the traits I am looking for. However, weaker birds is definitely not something I want to have. If I can not use the cockerel for this purpose without consequence then I see no reason in keeping him, though I really like the looks of him and his personality. Same goes for the pullet. Do you think that it would be fine to breed this brother and sister to each other? One is smooth feathered and one is a frizzle so it's not like they've got the exact same genes. I've got a frizzle pen and 2 sizzle pens. My goal is to get the sizzles to meet the silkie standard and to get the frizzles to have the desired frizzle traits and to breed true. When I accomplish this, I will start selling hatching eggs if anyone wants them. The silkie and sizzle hens are my broodies and great mommas.
Edited to add: this cockerel and pullet are full siblings (same mom, same dad), which is what's got me nervous about it


Easy enough to find out. Mate them, hatch a few eggs & see what the outcome is.. If the results are positive start line breeding from there, if not cull them.
 
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