Chicks with Red in Poop

[tplummer]

I cannot seem to get my hand on any of the medications that have been recommended. I am unsure of how long I can wait to get it. Any other name brands or suggestions?

 

[Thomas423]

Keep looking for the meds. It's Sunday so maybe tomorrow you might have better luck.

In the meanwhile..... I read that powdered milk will make them thirsty and then they drink more water, which will help flush it out of their system.

Also, get them to eat non-flavored yogurt. You might need to take their feed away for a little bit to make them hungry if they are not used to yogurt. I read that morning feedings are best time to feed yogurt if it's new to them but in this case you don't have time.

Also, keep their bedding very clean and maybe seperate the ones who look sicker. Mine seemed to die one at a time. Every other day. Six of them. Now I'm trying to figure out how long I need to wait before I know that the last 6 are going to make it. Anyone know???

How many chicks do you have and what are their ages? Keep looking for the medication. You'll need it to get through this.

 

[Brindlebtch]

Sulmet should be readily available at almost any feed store. I don't know about TSC but all our other feed stores have it.

Best of luck and my best wishes for you and your chicks.

 

[Judy]

Here is a good site to help differentiate normal from abnormal poo:

http://www.chat.allotment.org.uk/index.php?topic=17568.0

Try to get Corid (amprolium) rather than Sulmet if you can. Sulmet is pretty rough on them.

Good luck.

 

[Glenda L Heywood]

Call Smith Poultry supply and have them send it tommorrow
they have either corid or sulmet

ask them about these items


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#1 FOR COCCIDIOSIS

if your going to only feed the hen and chicks the medication in their water and feed then you may have to make a make shift pen to isolated them in for 5-7 days while medicating for coccidiosis

for the hen and chicks do this
4 TBSP OF DRY CRUMBLE FEED
8 TBSP OF WATER
ADD 1 TSP OF SULMET
mix good and feed the hen and chicks
FEED THIS FOR TWO MORNINGS
THEN CLEAN THE WET FEEDER AND PUT THE DRY CRUMBLES BACK IN FEEDER
also put the medication in their waterers for the 5-7 days

for the flock do this
THIS CAN BE MADE INTO 1 QT OF DRY FEED
2 QTS OF WATER
AND THEN ADD THE TSP OF SULMET


FOR HEN AND CHICKS
4 tbsp of dry crumble feed
8 tbsp of water
2 tsp of corid 9.6%
for two mornings
also put corid 2 tsp in gallon of water
for the 5-7 days for coccidiosis


If using corid 9.6% for the flock
1 QT OF of dry mash
2 QTS of water
add 2 tsp of corid 9.6% to the water
feed 2 tsp per chicken for a feeding
feed this two mornings to get the medication in the birds
also at same time put the corid or sulmet in the drinking water for 7 days
each chick get 2 tsp of the wet mash with coccidiosis meds

speckled hen gives corid(9.6%) liquid in 2 tsp per gallon of water a

And after medicating give the following things
either the corid amproylium or the sulmet will work but now you have a difficient gut problem with the E.coli
and it needs to have the Vitamin E put in the wet mash probiotic to help the E.coli gut problem
#2 GREEN POO
do this
now the
natural probiotic recipe is is:
3 tbsp of dry crumbles
4 tbsp of milk, sweet, sour, or buttermilk or a mixture of all or some
1 tbsp of yoguart of non flavored yoguart ( no artificial sweetmer)
mix good
AFTER PUTTING vIT'S IN
PUT 1 TBSP OF APPLE SAUCE FOR THE WET MASH PROBIOTIC

NOW THE IMPORTANT INGRIEDIENT FOR EACH CHICK FED
and add 1- 400 mg of Vit E by cutting the end off the vit E capsule for each chick fed this wet mash
putting it in the wet mash
this for HEN AND HER CHICKS

OR FOR each chick your treating
so for each chick use 2 tsp of mixture and 1-1000 mg of Vit E

twice a day for them till the manure is solid

and feed each chick
2 tsp full of the wet mash probiotic and what they will clean up in 20-30 minutes
then clean wet feeders and restock dry crumbles

do this twice a day for a week
till the chicks manure is right
then quit the Vit E make just the wet mash probiotic
then once a week for life

All the while after mdicating the birds use
do not use ACV with medication

2 tbsp of apple cider vinegar per gallon of the chicken water so their gut flora wil be regulated
they should have this at least 3-5 days a week
then three days aweek after they are over coccidiosis
the vit's are neccessary to clean up the damaged gut problem
take all the electrolytes out of the water

email me any questions so you are not confused

 

[threehorses]

Other names: Sulmet: albon, Sulfamethazine Sodium 12.5% aqueous solution, Corid: amprolium in solution (not the strength of solution given in the food).

In the mean time, give probiotics (plain yogurt in spare amounts) and do that through this treatment. do NOT give antibiotic packages from the feedstore even if the feedstore guy says it's what to give.

 

[tplummer]

I gave Probios, which we have around for our horses. It can be used for other animals too. It is used to get good flora back in the gut of a horse. I figured it could not hurt.

I actually did not see the red poo anymore today and they have been drinking water and eating. I have one I am still concerned about, though. It just doesn't seem as much up to par as the others. I will be going tomorrow to look for the drug, though. I know I need to have it on hand if I am going to be raising chicks. I usually do keep antibiotics on hand. I thought I had it covered and maybe I do. I may be panicking for nothing.

 

[threehorses]

Oh yay, another horse person! Yes, honestly Probios is my favorite of all the probiotic options. It's really pretty darn economical once you work out how much it takes for one bird. You can continue to give that when they're healthy (just less often) to keep them thrifty and vigorous. Great stuff!
Keep up with the probiotics. You might be able to get them through it without medicating. But more so than even blood, watch for runny droppings and anything that looks mucousy. If you continue to see mucus, then treat. Corid's the most gentle to their system and it's very effective against cocci. I'd highly recommend that over all others at this point.

Sulmet is actually an antibiotic as well as anti-coccidial treatment. It's less gentle, but if you have to it sure works.

Cocci are protazoa, and usually antibiotics don't work, but some of the sulfas do.

As for antibiotics, just use the same rule of thumb as with a horse: if you see an illness don't treat unless you know two things a) that for sure it's at least a secondary bacterial infection and, b) that the antibiotic you use is the right one (and that doesn't mean the one the feed store guy said to use - they're often wrong sadly).

There are many lists of antibiotics for chickens and which goes with which disease. If you get a sick one, email me and I can give you a few sights.

 

[feather leg farms]

Yes we have 4 horses and a mini donkey. He is the guardian of the pack.

I did find the Corid today at Southern States. I am about to make up a solution to start giving them. They do seem better after giving them the Probios. I will probably give them that too for a few more days. I am not 100% sure is was Cocci. If it was, the Probios is definitely a miracle worker. Also, the chick food I had, I was unsure if it was medicated or not, so I bought a bag of medicated at Southern States also. Thank God for Southern States. TSC is good, but they do not seem to have the supply of meds that Southern States has. I thank God everyday for this site too. I do not claim to be a professional chicken farmer, and it helps to have the experience of others to make it through tough times.

Sorry, I am apparently under my daughter's log in. This is tplummer.

 

[threehorses]

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A lot of times these things are just a bacterial imbalance. The trick is that coccidiosis starts off as diarrhea and then progresses to blood in the droppings as the cecum is irritated. At that point it's severe.

I'm such a HUGE believer in probiotics having taken a course on food design for horses a long time ago and they did a big section on comparing the manner that various animals' digestive systems work. I learned then how absolutely important good bacteria are to animals that eat a lot of plant matter (especially those without teeth and without an acidic stomach). They used to be provided via milk products (before pasteurization), but people have lost track of things.

Since chicks are born with little if any good bacteria in their digestive tracts, we have to give them what usually the mother hen would. The good bacteria compete with the bad bacteria and yeasts to establish themselves. Thereafter they keep the bad bacteria, cocci, and yeasts somewhat in control (except for huge exposures) by continuing to compete with them. So I like to reinforce the little army in their guts - to my favor!

You might find that they all clear up so you don't have to medicate. This happens often here - I use probios the second I see any droppings that aren't normal. I never have bad cases of coccidiosis any more - haven't for years and years. It's brilliant because the birds get exposed just enough to develop immunity (because the probiotics don't kill cocci) but not enough to make them sick. Just the way nature intended.

If it's not medicated, just use the probios at least weekly and you should be fine. Keep their areas dry because coccidiosis is more likely when things spill and wet the bedding. It's also more likely on ground, so use the probios when you put them on dirt (in case they encounter a strain of cocci to which they weren't previously exposed).

I'm glad things are clearing up a bit. Please do let us know how the babies do. And hugs the horses. I have thought about a mini-donkey as a guardian. I hear they're awesome! Only they don't really like dogs, and I have two. But it's still in consideration. I'd love to hear your thoughts on them as guardians of a flock.