chocolate gene in large fowl in U.S.

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by elieugene6, Mar 7, 2011.

  1. elieugene6

    elieugene6 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Is the chocolate gene represented in any large fowl in the us that I don't have to spend $5000 to get? I have an idea for a project that I would like to do. This breed doesn't have many colors out there and I really love them. I would love to breed chocolate into them, not dun but chocolate. I don't think using a serama would work as this breed is just to large. Although with artificial insemination and a chocolate carrying male and lots of generations to get back up to size it may happen.
     
  2. austinhart123

    austinhart123 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    chocolate and dun are practically the same thing at a certain point, its more about the look, not the name if u ask me
     
  3. syble

    syble Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Hardly! dun behaves like blue and gives you 3 possible different colored offspring... Chocolate behaves like black, if you breed chocolate to chocolate, you get chocolate. huge difference [​IMG]
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  4. georgialee

    georgialee Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I believe seramas are the only breed to have established chocolate to a point you don't have to pay a fortune for it. Good luck! [​IMG]
     
  5. tgrlily

    tgrlily Chillin' With My Peeps

    Mar 11, 2009
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    With the amount of breeding to get back up to size, you may be better off waiting for a LF chocolate. The bantam orp imports are supposed to be pretty big... somewhat closer to the size of American orps than to our bantams. Greenfire will have them in the fall for about $400 a pair. That wouldn't require as much breeding up for size as a serama.

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  6. Chris09

    Chris09 Circle (M) Ranch

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    Quote:Other than "looking" almost the same, there not even close to each other genitally.

    Chocolate x Chocolate will breed true were as Dun x Dun will give you Dun Splash (25%), Dark Brown (Dun) (50%) and Black (25%)

    Two doses (dun splash or khaki) breed true, so 100% dun splash or khaki.
    Dun splash x black will give dark brown dun (100%).
    Dun splash x dark brown dun gives dun splash (50%), dark brown dun (50%).
    Dark brown dun x dark brown dun gives dun splash (25%), dark brown (50%) and black (25%).
    Dark brown dun x black gives 50% dark brown dun and 50% black

    The Chocolate gene is a sex linked recessive mutant gene, so the females cannot hide the gene. If they possess the choc gene, they will be Chocolate. Males, however can be carriers and require two copies to be visually Chocolate.

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  7. Henferno

    Henferno Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Hardly! dun behaves like blue and gives you 3 possible different colored offspring... Chocolate behaves like black, if you breed chocolate to chocolate, you get chocolate. huge difference [​IMG]
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    Chocolate behaves like self blue, not quite black. If you cross chocolate to black, theoretically, you get black birds split to chocolate, to my understanding. [​IMG]
     
  8. Illia

    Illia Crazy for Colors

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    Quote:Hardly! dun behaves like blue and gives you 3 possible different colored offspring... Chocolate behaves like black, if you breed chocolate to chocolate, you get chocolate. huge difference [​IMG]
    Sib

    Chocolate behaves like self blue, not quite black. If you cross chocolate to black, theoretically, you get black birds split to chocolate, to my understanding. [​IMG]

    The DUN type of "chocolate" behaves like blue. The true Chocolate, yes, behaves like a sex-linked "self-blue" (also known widely as Lavender)
     
  9. chickenlover<3

    chickenlover<3 Out Of The Brooder

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    wow great info
     
  10. Henk69

    Henk69 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Just cross a chocolate serama rooster to a bantam as large as possible (mountable). They will be a lot bigger.
    These you can cross with an even larger hen. Shouldn't take long.

    Dun is superior to sexlinked chocolate:
    Easier to breed.
    More even distribution of pigment as far as I can tell. Dun is less prone to fleckiness as blue.
    You get more colors. Khaki is NOT a splash like throw away color but beautiful itself.

    Plus the combination of Dun and Chocolate is probably stunning!
    So dun is not "not done"... [​IMG]
     

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