Chocolate Gene

[robbdebbie]

I will take a pic of my chocolate seramas tomorrow. I am hoping to breed them to get more chocolate birds before I start breeding them to other breeds.

I just bought the chicken colours book. It is taking me a while to understand everything. I am getting it slowly though.

It would be nice if money was all that was required to import birds or hatching eggs. The UK is not allowed to export ANY hatching eggs at all, so no can do on that. As for the chocolate orps, they are mainly based in Wales, which is in an import restricted area. You would really need to talk to a customs broker (you have to have one anyways) to help you out. If you get any luck let me know I would be happy to go in on an import with you.

Thanks for the videos too!

Debbie

 

[Chickensrock10110]

I sent a message to the Dept of Ag and I'll see where it leads me.

They should give me the 411 on importing into the US.

I don't know if I will go ahead with hatching eggs, I rather go with the real thing, live adult birds.

For now, I wanna go ahead with choc seramas.To be honest I do not understand all the gentic stuff everyone was explaining.All I know is I want the real chocolate and I want it now!

BTW,Thank you for those videos Henk69! Beautiful birds.

Also, Debbie,
Where did you get your chocolate seramas? Direct from Jerry?

 

[Krys109uk]

As for the chocolate orps, they are mainly based in Wales, which is in an import restricted area.

Wales is???? Goodness.

What's happened in Wales in partiular? (I'm from Wales). I thought it was East Anglia which was the no go. As they'd had H5N1 at some point.

Actually, I know of other people, in England, with chocolate Orp bantams.

I expect the greatest variety of birds in chocolate would be with Grant Brereton in Wales; he got the birds from Dr Clive Carefoot.

I sent a message to the Dept of Ag and I'll see where it leads me.

I'm pretty sure the regs are online. The US end is the easy bit. It's finding breeders with a permit to export from UK which is difficult. It's not a matter of their not wanting to export, it is that getting the permit is quite a palaver (& costly).

To find what is necessary to have a license to export from UK you'd need to contact DEFRA, & from Wales, contact with the Welsh Office is usually very informative.​

 

[robbdebbie]

Here are some pics of my chocolate hen, and a rooster with some chocolate. I really wish I could get a hold of a full chocolate rooster.

The rooster didn't want to get his picture taken

 

[robbdebbie]

Here is some info from your state:

http://hawaii.gov/hdoa/ai/ldc/birds

Procedures for Importing Live Poultry

ADVISORY: Until further notice, there is a temporary ban on the importation of all live avian species from Afghanistan, Albania, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cambodia, Czech Republic (Kraj of Kralovehradecky and Pardubicky only), Djibouti, Egypt, Germany (Kreis of Görlitz and Bautzen), Ghana, Hong Kong, Hungary (Bacs-Kiskun and Csongrad Counties only) , India, Indonesia, Iran, Israel, Ivory Coast (Côte d'Ivoire), Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Palestinian Autonomous Territories, People's Republic of China, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Sudan, Sweden (Kalmar county only), Thailand, Togo, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom (counties of Suffolk and Norfolk in England only) and Vietnam.

Poultry imported from Canada into the United States are not required to be quarantined. However, the poultry must be accompanied by a veterinary health certificate issued within 30 days of importation and endorsed by a full-time salaried veterinarian of the Canadian government. The poultry must be inspected by a USDA veterinarian at the first U.S. port of entry.

An import permit is not required for poultry imported from Canada through a U.S. - Canadian land border port. However, if the poultry enters the United States through an airport, an import permit (VS Form17-129) (fillable pdf 75kb) is required.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) defines poultry to include chickens, doves, ducks, geese, grouse, guinea fowl, partridges, pea fowl, pheasants, pigeons, quail, swans, and turkeys. All birds of these species are subject to the import requirements for poultry, and are not considered by the USDA to be pet birds.

Requirements

30-day quarantine at a USDA Animal Import Center

Animal Import Permit (VS Form17-129) (fillable pdf 75kb)

Veterinary Health Certificate issued by a full-time salaried veterinarian of the agency responsible for animal health of the national government of the exporting country

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Certification

FDA Imported food requirement
Import Procedures (from all countries except Canada)

All poultry must be quarantined for a minimum of 30 days at a USDA Animal Import Center. The poultry must also be accompanied by a USDA import permit (VS Form17-129) (fillable pdf 75kb), issued prior to shipment of the birds. The importer must contact a USDA Animal Import Center to apply for the import permit and reserve quarantine space in the facility. The addresses for the USDA Animal Import Centers are listed below.
New York Animal Import Center
USDA, APHIS, VS
474 International Blvd
Rock Tavern, NY 12575
Phone: (845) 564-2950
Fax: (845) 564-1075


Miami Animal Import Center
USDA, APHIS, VS
6300 NW 36 Street
Miami, FL 33122
Phone: (305) 526-2926
Fax: (305) 526-2929

Los Angeles Animal Import Center
USDA, APHIS, VS
11850 South La Cienega Boulevard
Hawthorne, CA 90250
Phone: (310) 725-1970
Fax: (310) 725-9119

The poultry must be accompanied by a current veterinary health certificate issued within 30 days of importation and endorsed by a full-time salaried veterinarian of the agency responsible for animal health of the national government of the exporting country. The health certificate must be translated into English.
The poultry must be inspected by a USDA port veterinarian at the first U.S. port of entry. The importer must arrange for this inspection at least 72 hours in advance by contacting the USDA port veterinarian at the telephone number listed on the import .
The importer must retain the services of a customs broker to facilitate the importation and, in some cases, to transport the poultry from the port of entry to the USDA Animal Import Center. The importer should contact the Import Center for a list of customs brokers to provide these services.
During the quarantine period, all poultry will be tested to determine if they are free of certain communicable diseases of poultry. The cost for this diagnostic testing will be charged to the importer and is separate from the quarantine fee.
Total payment of the quarantine and diagnostic testing fees is required when the import permit (VS Form17-129) (fillable pdf 75kb) application is submitted. The payment amount will be provided to the importer by the USDA Animal Import Center. The daily user fee rate for standard care, feed, and handling of poultry quarantined in a USDA Animal Import Center is as follows:

Doves, pigeons, quail $ 5.00
Chickens, ducks, grouse, guinea fowl, partridge, pea fowl, pheasants $ 9.00
Large poultry and waterfowl (game cocks, geese, swans, turkey) $ 21.00


Poultry Import from Canada

Poultry imported from Canada into the United States are not required to be quarantined. However, the poultry must be accompanied by a veterinary health certificate issued within 30 days of importation and endorsed by a full-time salaried veterinarian of the Canadian government. The poultry must be inspected by a USDA veterinarian at the first U.S. port of entry.

An import permit is not required for poultry imported from Canada through a U.S. - Canadian land border port. However, if the poultry enters the United States through an airport, an import permit (VS Form17-129) (fillable pdf 75kb) is required.

This permit may be downloaded from this site or by contacting us:
USDA, APHIS, VS
National Center for Import and Export
4700 River Road, Unit 39
Riverdale, MD 20737
(301) 734-8364 telephone
(301) 734-6402 fax

I was wrong, not Wales but Suffolk and Norfolk.

 

[Krys109uk]

That's as I thought, Norfolk & Suffolk are in East Anglia (England). Wales is the country to the west of the midlands, England.

 

[smoothmule]

Can some of you with Chocolate Serama's post photo's of the chicks in down?

Here is one of my chicks, these are all of the same chick. I have another that is a soft, milk chocolate color and it doesn't have the cream belly. It's just a few days old and not feathering out yet. I should have some photo's of that one tomorrow.

 

[DANNY]

Correct me if I am wrong but I think the difference between real chocolate and dun is real chocolates breed true meaning they throw 100% chocolate and dun throws both kahki, chocolate and maybe even black
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[smoothmule]

I hope you are correct and that might mean the chick I am calling milk chocolate could be khaki? It's just a few days old but fluffy enough now to show off the color. I'll take a couple in natural light tomorrow

 

[Crunchie]

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Yup. What we call chocolate and khaki in Polish is caused by the dun gene and breeds just like blue (mostly). The colors are called chocolate and khaki because the man that developed them (Al Westling) wanted them called that when they were admitted to the standard. And it is an accurate description of the colors, just not the gene.

If you breed chocolate X chocolate (dun based) you will get approximately 50% chocolate, 25% black, and 25% khaki. In breeding chocolate (dun-based) khaki acts like splash does in breeding blue.

edited for clarity. I was making word salad.