chocolate gene

[syble]

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Can we focus on the actual topic please?

I was under the impression chocolate was more stable the the dun family, is it just because there are other genes in there that you are getting so much variety?
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Sib

 

[HenThymes]

From my personal experience when using serama you are going to get other things for the fact that yes there are soo many genes in them. However if you are lucky enough to pull out the chocolate then you have it! Like I mentioned, my chocolate pullet hatched chocolate and has always stayed chocolate. I guess I got lucky to pull the gene out with her. Her first offspring are just growing out so I have yet to determine who is what and full coat patterns but it is looking very promising.

 

[Chris09]

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I wouldn't call it more stable. Chocolate x Chocolate will breed true were as Dun x Dun will give you Dun Splash (25%), Dark Brown (Dun) (50%) and Black (25%)


Dun breeds similar to Blue.

Two doses (dun splash or khaki) breed true, so 100% dun splash or khaki.
Dun splash x black will give dark brown dun (100%).
Dun splash x dark brown dun gives dun splash (50%), dark brown dun (50%).
Dark brown dun x dark brown dun gives dun splash (25%), dark brown (50%) and black (25%).
Dark brown dun x black gives 50% dark brown dun and 50% black

Chris

 

[catwalk]

I've found that getting chocolate birds is not as east as just getting the chocolate gene into the flock. It only dilutes black, not red, and any pattern the bird carries will show. Solid chocolate will require solid black as parent stock. You didn't say in which breed you'd like to have your chocolate? If you have the time, space, and money to crossbreed, browse the Serama thread to see who has chocolate, and see if you can buy some culls. The big horizonal chocolates might be perfect for importing the gene.

Choc has uses beyond just creating chocolate, too. While many breeders cross blue into buff to reduce the contrast created by black in the wings and tail, imagine if those off- colored feathers were just a darker shade of brown?

 

[syble]

it's a project bird, so a cross breed. and we're talking big, so i think a serma would end badly :S I want to make it in a few colors so i will probably develop it in other colors first and work on getting better type and what not before i worry about chocolate.
Thanks
sib

 

[wolftracks]

I thought I'd bump this up to keep the discussion going.

 

[6Happiness]

What if you use a large chocolate serema with another medium-sized black breed. Get a chocolate hen and then use her to breed the chocolate into your large breed project?

 

[HenThymes]

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[syble]

my only concern is another whack of out crossings. we're talking a 10-15 lb project chicken (which isnt at the stage for color development quite yet), body type would be considerably different aswell. The original purpose for me in this thread was to find out if chocolate came in other breeds. Dosent seam to be much aside from imported orps and wyandottes (both out of my price range) and will be a while before they are truely available. I'm patient, i can wait hehe.
Thanks
Sib

 

[smoothmule]

Thought I'd bump this up. I am so excited to share that I've finally hatched my first chocolate large fowl Araucana chick, a pullet. This isn't dun. This is sex linked/recessive chocolate. Originated with an Imported Orpington and topping it off, this pullet is rumpless and tufted leaving very little to work on for my large fowl Chocolate Araucana project.

She was just hatched this morning so she isn't dried off yet. She's being treat like a Princess. I have more eggs from my project pen in the incubator and hoping for a few more like her.