Chocolate? What makes Chocolate?

[Wynette]

Folks - there is to be NO discussion of importing birds in this thread, where they came from, who has them....this thread is only for discussion regarding the genetics of the chococlate color.

 

[Groundhighchickenguy]

Seramas?

 

[catwalk]

Yup, chocolate Seramas. They're allowed to be no larger than 19.2 ounces for adult males to show, so the bigger ones might be available for crossbreeding.

 

[Shaffer]

Reguarding chocolate and not dun(which looks similar but different genetically) you can not make one you need a bird either visually or genetically carrying this gene. Go to the chicken calculator and do some test runs to see how it works. It is a recessive sexlink gene as some of the geneticist discribe it but lay people just call it sexlink gene. Very simple once you figure out the mechanics.

 

[Groundhighchickenguy]

Where could you find bigger chocolate Seramas at? Ill have to tinker around with the calculator and see what I can come up with.

 

[Elly_Mae]

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Yep, It does talk more about chocolate..... pages 110-115.

 

[Groundhighchickenguy]

I figured out how I would run the birds but now I need a chocolate. Its not really hard at all to do the gene on the calculator. Its a little tricky at first but after I figured out the order I could put it in anything. Now do I take the risk of buying one egg on ebay or hunt down a chocolate Serama. But the one question is still in the back of my head. How was chocolate developed. I'd like to know the mutation order. If I could figure that out then I wouldnt need nobody. I would just develope it myself.

 

[Groundhighchickenguy]

I just dont like that feeling of having a carrot dangled in front of my nose.

 

[Elly_Mae]

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Grant starts off page 110 by saying..........."In my opinion, the Chocolate gene and what is currently known about it is fairly limited. While Dr. Carefoot discovered the gene, and that it operated as a Sex-Linked Recessive as far back as 1994, very little research has thus far been carried out..........". Which is why, most likely, you are having difficulty finding the information you seek.

What I've read agrees with everyone else...... the chocolate gene was a "spontaneous genetic mutation". It wasn't a color that was built using other available genes.

As far as the ebay egg, if I was looking to work with chocolate I would definitely seek out a bird carrying the gene versus take a risk with one shipped egg. Far too much money and risk involved with 1 shipped chocolate egg.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Grant starts off page 110 by saying..........."In my opinion, the Chocolate gene and what is currently known about it is fairly limited. While Dr. Carefoot discovered the gene, and that it operated as a Sex-Linked Recessive as far back as 1994, very little research has thus far been carried out..........". Which is why, most likely, you are having difficulty finding the information you seek.

What I've read agrees with everyone else...... the chocolate gene was a "spontaneous genetic mutation". It wasn't a color that was built using other available genes.

As far as the ebay egg, if I was looking to work with chocolate I would definitely seek out a bird carrying the gene versus take a risk with one shipped egg. Far too much money and risk involved with 1 shipped chocolate egg.

Correct, you cannot "build" choc, nor can you CAUSE the mutation to occur. For that matter, you cannot build any variety without breeding in the gene or genes needed. For chocolate colourng, you can use choc or dun, but in either case you have to breed the gene (choc or I^d) in by finding a bird that has the gene and crossing it with your target breed.

Hoping for spontaneous mutation is like hoping to win the lottery--without ever purchasing a ticket.