In the end, for me, I had a specific date I wanted to get my goslings. Ideal couldn't get me Embdens for that date, so I just went with Metzers as I do like how they put grogel in the boxes for the babies to eat while shipping. And from hearing how their quality is higher versus other hatcheries. But whatever that means, as I only plan to butcher them in late fall to early winter anyway. For me, they are my lawn mowers in a large fenced area that I have. And it's nice having the grass and weeds kept down in that pen where I have several pigeon lofts. Anyhow, I'm now all excited that soon 3 buffs, 3 Africans, and 4 embdens will be here in late April. But if one wants geese, better order early... I bet if I had waited a month even Metzer's couldn't get my birds to me as they'd have sold out.