Coco pop seramas Thread !!!!!!!!!!!!

[ocseramas]

Well put, Joey. In a nutshell.....take responsibility for your own actions! If it's a trainwreck, it's your trainwreck. If it's a champion, it's your champion, you made it!

 

[bigb-71]

i think joey nailed it. perfectly said joey. now can we move on and talk about the cocopops. and show me some of those great birds . i want to see pic's please

and i want to see what you guys are breeding !

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[gumbii]

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yes you "can" do that... but then it's going to be very hard to produce some cocopops from scratch... they will all have to come from the first creator of the cocopop color variation...


i think the best way to get them to breed true, is to isolate all of the genes... like get a strain going of just columbian based buffs, colombian whites, or columbian dun... then go on with the spangle, then with the double laced birchen, then dun patridge... that's how people really create other color variations... they just don't start breeding until they have it... although the seramas already have all the color genes all up in each serama already, it might be a bit quicker to get it, but not easier...

you're going to need to line breed 4 completely unrelated cocopop pairs, and after 7th generation or more, pair them up and start all over again... that should be enough to take out a number of genetic traits, but if they do have recessive white, that's a tough one... that means you can start getting self blues if you take out the white gene amirite...? or was it blue...? LOL... i need to read more books...

how can you if they are came from the original cocoapop and that was from jerry yes jerry not grady. Jerry sold the original to grady after he got it back from someone he sold it to before grady was the last one that end up with him and breed alot out but jerry still has a good stock of them. Grady never did really get them down to size but he does have one or two here and their that are A class but thats it. So all cocoapop came from Jerry bloodline period and the original cocoapop is the only seramas to ever score a 99 point out of 100 when he was judge. So cara your cocoapop is still related to my cocoapop cause its the same bloodline.. Just yours is different in color but then again you know this.

another example of that you know nothing about genetics...

you don't need a cocopop bird to make one... you just have to play with genes to make them... there is no chicken that lays a golden egg that no other one does... if a chicken is a certain color, there is a genetic explanation for it...

i can, if i wanted, start producing cocopop OEGB chickens... there are columbian, there are partridge, there are dun laced, everything that makes up a cocopop is there, it will just take time to make them... just because one bird came from someone that random 1 in a hundred color, doesn't mean that he is the only person on the planet that has them, and they have to come from that person... then we wouldn't be able to have the same colored chickens as in other countries... it's all about genetics... it's simple if you actually sit there and try to learn it...

i also agree with joey and cara... them are some responsible breeders... they understand about lineage and prestige... for instance... all of my birds that i release that aren't pet quality that i hatched through my breeding program are gumbii's line... same goes with jerry, grady, kate, joey, cara, cheff glen, and everyone else that breeds to standard responsibly...

you can't just take some chickens, hatch some eggs, and call yourself a breeder...



no offense... i'm just sayinnnnn...

 

[YB192004]

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Gumbii, the opal oegb is not recognized variety but Ron Smith, Carl and few other breeders came up with the standard draft of the variety and they are lobbying for the acceptance of it in aba and apa. Same thing with the white variety in serama, SCNA members got them breed true and accepted by the aba. We can do it with the cocopop serama variety if we want it to.

yes you "can" do that... but then it's going to be very hard to produce some cocopops from scratch... they will all have to come from the first creator of the cocopop color variation...


i think the best way to get them to breed true, is to isolate all of the genes... like get a strain going of just columbian based buffs, colombian whites, or columbian dun... then go on with the spangle, then with the double laced birchen, then dun patridge... that's how people really create other color variations... they just don't start breeding until they have it... although the seramas already have all the color genes all up in each serama already, it might be a bit quicker to get it, but not easier...

you're going to need to line breed 4 completely unrelated cocopop pairs, and after 7th generation or more, pair them up and start all over again... that should be enough to take out a number of genetic traits, but if they do have recessive white, that's a tough one... that means you can start getting self blues if you take out the white gene amirite...? or was it blue...? LOL... i need to read more books...

Gumbii, this post of yours is killing me softly......I have had sleepless nights trying to figure out how to over come all this.

I think I will stick with my original plan on using the siblings in a selective inbreed method to see if I can isolate and eliminate some of the undesire genes then worry about the recessive later. Yes, I might have to deal with the recessive white....I got 1 recessive white out of each hatched from my first two batches. To make matters worse, I have decided to add my Whitii to this project for improvement on type and tail setting. If I fail, at least I still have birds with good type.

 

[gumbii]

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yes you "can" do that... but then it's going to be very hard to produce some cocopops from scratch... they will all have to come from the first creator of the cocopop color variation...


i think the best way to get them to breed true, is to isolate all of the genes... like get a strain going of just columbian based buffs, colombian whites, or columbian dun... then go on with the spangle, then with the double laced birchen, then dun patridge... that's how people really create other color variations... they just don't start breeding until they have it... although the seramas already have all the color genes all up in each serama already, it might be a bit quicker to get it, but not easier...

you're going to need to line breed 4 completely unrelated cocopop pairs, and after 7th generation or more, pair them up and start all over again... that should be enough to take out a number of genetic traits, but if they do have recessive white, that's a tough one... that means you can start getting self blues if you take out the white gene amirite...? or was it blue...? LOL... i need to read more books...

Gumbii, this post of yours is killing me softly......I have had sleepless nights trying to figure out how to over come all this.

I think I will stick with my original plan on using the siblings in a selective inbreed method to see if I can isolate and eliminate some of the undesire genes then worry about the recessive later. Yes, I might have to deal with the recessive white....I got 1 recessive white out of each hatched from my first two batches. To make matters worse, I have decided to add my Whitii to this project for improvement on type and tail setting. If I fail, at least I still have birds with good type.

well... recessive white is easy to breed out, but it will always be there... if you use a dominant white (i don't think that's in serama blood, but it could be) that's where the problems start... LOL... line breeding is good and simple, but since you're trying to make a color that has more than just 3 genetic traits, it's going to take a couple of different generations like i said on that post earlier... like, if i line breed self blue and mille fleur, after 7-8 generations later, i will have some nice looking porcelains... but that's not the case with cocopops... it's like, every possible color and pattern gene in a cocopop, and that's going to need more than one set of line breeding...

but if you guys work together... get some strict breeding rules and dedication between 4 or so breeders, you can make this happen... just make sure you know what genes to isolate...

 

[SunValleySeramas]

6 months old!!

 

[MidgetChicken]

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I'm in love

Edit: now my wallpaper!

 

[MidgetChicken]

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wow, beautiful just beautiful. I'm in awe. This one is perfect.

 

[YB192004]

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He is nice!!!! Is he the offspring from Grady's birds? That is the kind of tail setting I want to see on mine.....thanks for sharing.

 

[SunValleySeramas]

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He is nice!!!! Is he the offspring from Grady's birds? That is the kind of tail setting I want to see on mine.....thanks for sharing.

he is direct from grady! ! thanks!!! i love him..