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[Wisher1000]

- I am not into the eye for eye or we would all be blinded.

Oesdog

Hear Hear!
(or is it "Here Here"?

back at ya'!

 

[Gargoyle]

Hear Hear!
(or is it "Here Here"?

back at ya'!

no, that would be an ear for an ear

 

[bayvistafarm]

I'm all for wildlife, and love to watch them too. But.. when your in my barn, killing my cats, AND got mange.. well then, sorry, but its not going to happen. We lose about 5 acres of corn to deer and coons and birds. We don't hunt the deer, and I don't go to the bush to trap and kill coons, its just a plain fact of life, they are going to eat your crops, because they live in the bush right beside it. Thats ok. Speaking of coyotes attacking humans.. they are very dense around here, and actually in the city of Burlington Ontario, Canada... one actually grabbed an eight year old girl by her leg. Good thing she had her snowpants on, and her mom was outside with her. They hunted one down and killed it, but who knows if it was the same beast. We also let flying squirrels live in the roof of our cabin in the woods. Goodness knows that a mess the insulation between the plastic and the plywood must look like, but they don't smell, and we enjoy watching them. I am a big softie too, but when you kill my chickens and cats, I get mean and mad, lol. But... I hear what you are saying Osedog, and thats ok. I would like to be able to sprinkle the coyotes with ivomec.. they do help curb the deer population, but its not a feasible task obviously, lol.

 

[oesdog]

I'm all for wildlife, and love to watch them too. But.. when your in my barn, killing my cats, AND got mange.. well then, sorry, but its not going to happen. We lose about 5 acres of corn to deer and coons and birds. We don't hunt the deer, and I don't go to the bush to trap and kill coons, its just a plain fact of life, they are going to eat your crops, because they live in the bush right beside it. Thats ok. Speaking of coyotes attacking humans.. they are very dense around here, and actually in the city of Burlington Ontario, Canada... one actually grabbed an eight year old girl by her leg. Good thing she had her snowpants on, and her mom was outside with her. They hunted one down and killed it, but who knows if it was the same beast. We also let flying squirrels live in the roof of our cabin in the woods. Goodness knows that a mess the insulation between the plastic and the plywood must look like, but they don't smell, and we enjoy watching them. I am a big softie too, but when you kill my chickens and cats, I get mean and mad, lol. But... I hear what you are saying Osedog, and thats ok. I would like to be able to sprinkle the coyotes with ivomec.. they do help curb the deer population, but its not a feasible task obviously, lol.

Yeah we looked at the mange issue last night.( All a bit tongue in cheek stuff really but funny - did enjoy the image of the car wash and trying to keep a coyote in the back seat!) I somehow can’t see you running after them sprinkling Ivomec but the thought made me smile. We are all a bit soft when it comes to animals or we wouldn’t be so mad over a bunch of chickens would we! I think the key to it all is to do what needs to be done on your own land for the betterment of the folk and critters that live there. If that means you have to do a cull from time to time then that has to be. No one else can judge what you do because others don’t live and work your land you do. It doesn’t stop me feeling a little sad for that old wild dog though!



As for the child that was bitten by the coyote - that is sad for her but good that she was not badly hurt. We had an issue here in London not so long ago when an urban fox got into a house and attacked sleeping twin girls in their bedroom. They were only babies so you can imagine the wounds from a fox. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10251349



Like with that girl the knee-jurk reaction was to go out and kill, kill, kill any poor fox in the area. No one could tell if the animal responsible was ever caught or if indeed it was ever a fox in the first place? It is a hard balance to maintain between nature and farming and our home invation of the wildlife areas. I guess I am a bit bonkers but if the twin girls were mine - once recovered the next visit would be a wildlife hospital so they could get to understand why they were attacked and maybe they could even see how orphan baby fox cubs are cared for. - All healing as I don’t believe in allowing fear to settle. Fear robs folk of such a lot of joy in life. If a dog mauled my kid I would get it a puppy! I don’t believe I would be one to call for wide spread killing in a macabre kind of revenge? I am not sure that response is at all helpful long-term. Though of course we have to be mindful of wild animals that do present with harmful intent.



Oesdog - I am away to investigate the coffeepot.

 

[quercus21]

Good morning people,
Another spring day rolling in upon us. I'll be constructing raised beds for the garden in a few weeks. They are going to be either oak or locust beds. The horseradish is just about ready for picking. Nothing like fresh horseradish to get the ole heart pounding..........
We have had our fair share of coyotes around here. In a month or so, you'll hear their pups in the rocky part of the woods. The dogs usually keep them at bay. They might sneak in and knock down the neighbors old sheep etc., but not a whole sale slaughter. I know they reduced the woodchuck population pretty good. Every once in a while, domestics dogs would cause a larger problem. They would kill, it seems just for the sport of it. Leave the carcase and move on to the next, rabbits, sheep, goats.
I have been bitten by domestic dogs (twice on my own property) more often then by coyotes (none). I haven't heard of anyone being bitten around here by coyotes, but a couple of years ago a baby was snatched by a black bear. Parents left the child in it's stroller, alone in the back yard. Some people say the coyotes around here aren't pure, but a hybrid.
I know the better half doesn't like it when we follow bear tracks through rocks and ledges. I keep telling her, she has nothing to worry about, she can out run me

. If it was a mommy bear with cubs, I would find our own way up. If you want some fun, go out at night and spot the coyotes with a red lens light. Their eyes glow a funny reddish color.
Like with every animal, if a problem arises, then it should be taken care of, but we should do everything to minimize the potential. There are more and more sightings of mountain lions moving into the area. A fair share of people want to take up arms and exterminate them. I think they will take care of the coyote "problem".
Enjoy the day

 

[karl E lutz]

Good morning chicken wranglers,
I think that that was no yotie I think it was a chupacabra!Check it out! Yes it is mean but when you have found your pullets with their wings pulled off and eaten through the fence you get hard inside, coons need to die slow!

 

[oesdog]

Good morning chicken wranglers,
I think that that was no yotie I think it was a chupacabra!Check it out! Yes it is mean but when you have found your pullets with their wings pulled off and eaten through the fence you get hard inside, coons need to die slow!

I can't agree with that one bit. There is no justification to make any of Gods creatures suffer - if an animal is going to be killed then it should be done quick and clean. To deliberately torture an animal to death is cruelty of the worst kind and has no place. To say "oh but it made the hens suffer" is no excuse to become a person who deliberately goes out to cause pain and suffering. Human beings can rationalise things but an animal just follows natural instict. To deliberately torture to death an animal is the most base thing any human can do - it is also a proven fact that folk who hurt animals deliberately usually go on to hurt other humans.
I am against any kind of cruelty toward any animal no matter what it has done. Folk who do that kind of thing lose all of my respect. They become worse than the animal that commited the act of killing/mutilating a chicken. ( If a chicken is being pulled through the bars of the run - maybe the run security needs to be reassesed, which is the responsibility of the owner of the chickens) I have no issues with killing an animal at all if that is what is needed. I do however have major issues with folk who deliberately go out of their way to see/make an animal suffer. I cannot condone that response to any of Gods creatures. No animal deserves to die "slow" that is a very sickening statement. I do not believe God calls us to become so hard of heart we lack good judgement and mercy.

Oesdog

 

[ParadiseFoundFarm]

 

[ParadiseFoundFarm]

I am not condemning you Oesdog. I apologize if you felt that way from what I typed. I didn't mean it to be understood that way and I certainly don't feel that way. I too rescue animals other would just put out of their mind or misery. The name of our farm is Paradise Found. It is a place for unwanted, mistreated, old, lame animals to live out their lives with dignity and love, always has been, always will be as long as I live.

You are right about the hybrids quercus21.
They start about midwest country, here in Illinois is about the start of them.
There are 3 type of yote:
Coydog - Just what it sounds like - they are unpredictable. Some are skittish, bold, aggressive, non aggressive.... just never can predict them.
Eastern Coyote - Full blooded coyote. No fear of man, usually cautious and non aggressive. Lighter animal.
Western Coyote - A mix of wolf and coyote. No fear of man and aggressive. Heavier animal.
Just google " coyote attacks woman " for plenty of examples.

 

[oesdog]

I am not condemning you Oesdog. I apologize if you felt that way from what I typed. I didn't mean it to be understood that way and I certainly don't feel that way. I too rescue animals other would just put out of their mind or misery. The name of our farm is Paradise Found. It is a place for unwanted, mistreated, old, lame animals to live out their lives with dignity and love, always has been, always will be as long as I live.

You are right about the hybrids quercus21.
They start about midwest country, here in Illinois is about the start of them.
There are 3 type of yote:
Coydog - Just what it sounds like - they are unpredictable. Some are skittish, bold, aggressive, non aggressive.... just never can predict them.
Eastern Coyote - Full blooded coyote. No fear of man, usually cautious and non aggressive. Lighter animal.
Western Coyote - A mix of wolf and coyote. No fear of man and aggressive. Heavier animal.
Just google " coyote attacks woman " for plenty of examples.

I never at all felt anything untoward from you. No appology needed we share lots of different views on this thread obviously sometimes folk will have different opinions, thoughts and understandings of things and that is what makes us human.
Oesdog