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Darn - Just when I was ready to order some!! Hope you get back in the egg business soon!
Colloncas, Huastecs, & Quechuas
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So far 7 Colloncas, BOTH SP Queches (the second one just hatched). 2 more are pipping. I will take pictures tomorrow when they are all dried off and it is daylight. It is nighttime and they are sleeping really good now. I was also very happy that my leghorn chick is 1/2 Araucana and not Cochin.
Hello Yashar... I apologize for PMing you again, I was starting to think you were ignoring my PMs! Well I hope to hear from you when you can and Please add me to your Collonca eggs list.
I appreciate it, Thank you.
I posted the information that Yashar has about Colloncas on a State thread and someone posted:
Thank you for this information, but I believe these are just more descendants of the ancestors of both the Araucanas and the Ameraucanas - and our Easter Egger (Americanas) from the feed store.
I did extensive research before buying my true Ameraucanas and I do not believe these Colloncas are an ancient breed which was kept by Indians any more than the first Araucanas (tufted and rumpess) imported into the US were an ancient breed - although they were also originally claimed as such. It was later discovered that it was a created bird bred by ONE breeder in Chile and he called them Araucanas. He chose only rumpless, blue egg laying and tufted birds from the land race available around him and selectively bred just those birds to create it. The word Collonca means no tail in Chile, and any bird that had no tail was called a collonca. A fellow over there said our Easter Eggers from the hatcheries are closer to pure descendants of the original land race kept by the Indians (note - not a breed - a land race) than the birds they are breeding in Chile now. Apparently some over there have selected and created a breed of only rumpless birds, mixing in other modern breeds to get what they wanted and they call them Colloncas, but I believe they stretch the truth quite a bit to claim it is "one of the original breeds".
The idea of keeping more than one rooster is a very good one - because the rumplesness of the boys leads to low fertility rates. I think the tail helps in "aiming" so you would need more than one rooster to fertilize the flock. The Araucana breeders have discovered this, and some keep tailed birds with their flocks to help with this problem. This is another reason I believe this breed is created - it would not survive in the wild. Natural selection because of low fertility rate in the rumpless boys and higher fertility rate in those with tails has removed rumplessness in our Easter Eggers, and to keep the rumplessness you would have to selectively breed for it.
Pretty birds, but I think I will stick with my Easter Eggers, no fertility problems there!
I do not know how to reply to a post like this except to say post like this is why I do not read the Ameraucana threads....
Thank you for this information, but I believe these are just more descendants of the ancestors of both the Araucanas and the Ameraucanas - and our Easter Egger (Americanas) from the feed store.
I did extensive research before buying my true Ameraucanas and I do not believe these Colloncas are an ancient breed which was kept by Indians any more than the first Araucanas (tufted and rumpess) imported into the US were an ancient breed - although they were also originally claimed as such. It was later discovered that it was a created bird bred by ONE breeder in Chile and he called them Araucanas. He chose only rumpless, blue egg laying and tufted birds from the land race available around him and selectively bred just those birds to create it. The word Collonca means no tail in Chile, and any bird that had no tail was called a collonca. A fellow over there said our Easter Eggers from the hatcheries are closer to pure descendants of the original land race kept by the Indians (note - not a breed - a land race) than the birds they are breeding in Chile now. Apparently some over there have selected and created a breed of only rumpless birds, mixing in other modern breeds to get what they wanted and they call them Colloncas, but I believe they stretch the truth quite a bit to claim it is "one of the original breeds".
The idea of keeping more than one rooster is a very good one - because the rumplesness of the boys leads to low fertility rates. I think the tail helps in "aiming" so you would need more than one rooster to fertilize the flock. The Araucana breeders have discovered this, and some keep tailed birds with their flocks to help with this problem. This is another reason I believe this breed is created - it would not survive in the wild. Natural selection because of low fertility rate in the rumpless boys and higher fertility rate in those with tails has removed rumplessness in our Easter Eggers, and to keep the rumplessness you would have to selectively breed for it.
Pretty birds, but I think I will stick with my Easter Eggers, no fertility problems there!
I do not know how to reply to a post like this except to say post like this is why I do not read the Ameraucana threads....
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This person has a lot of OPINION. Just because someone says it is so does not make it true. I have Araucanas and I know that the breeders I know would not agree with this person's statement. This person also knows absolutely NOTHING about Yashar or his breeding program. He has shared the history of these birds. Where he gets them is his business. I was interested in them for their family structure and friendliness towards people. I can already see a big difference in the NINE Colloncas chicks that have hatched. When they saw my face in the incubator, they ran TO me not away!. When I open their box to peek in they all come out from under the brooder to greet me. What a wonderful surprise to have chicks that want to be with you. They also like to be held and petted. So far, they are nothing like any other chicks I have had.
This person has a lot of OPINION. Just because someone says it is so does not make it true. I have Araucanas and I know that the breeders I know would not agree with this person's statement. This person also knows absolutely NOTHING about Yashar or his breeding program. He has shared the history of these birds. Where he gets them is his business. I was interested in them for their family structure and friendliness towards people. I can already see a big difference in the NINE Colloncas chicks that have hatched. When they saw my face in the incubator, they ran TO me not away!. When I open their box to peek in they all come out from under the brooder to greet me. What a wonderful surprise to have chicks that want to be with you. They also like to be held and petted. So far, they are nothing like any other chicks I have had.
Thanks! The biggest reason I had such a GREAT hatch is because of the way Yashar packed them and labeled them. I think I was also extremely lucky they got through the postal service without major damage. I order Shelley china on Ebay. It is amazing how many of those come with smashed corners even though it says extremely fragile. Fortunately the Shelley sellers are like Yashar - they prepare for ANYthing.
Nice!
Cute chicks!
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