Colombian Orpington

[Tuhmu]

Hello everybody. Has any tried to create a buff Colombian Orpington? If so any insight or advice would be most welcome. My current plan is to cross light Sussex with buff orpingtons but I'm not exactly sure if I should do BO over LS or LS over BO, assuming these combinations would even work. I've always liked buff colored poultry and currently have three buff brahmas but I would like to move over to a clean legged bird with a single comb, that also isn't so slow on maturing. I would like to keep a line of BO, LS going, along with some columbian colored orpingtons as a dual purpose flock. I've also have read that white over buff creates a sex link?? Any advice or confirmation on this topic would be most helpful.

 

[Tuhmu]

Sorry for spelling errors and such, silly iPad touch keyboard. I haven't adjusted yet to it yet.....

 

[tadkerson]

Hello everybody. Has any tried to create a buff Colombian Orpington? If so any insight or advice would be most welcome. My current plan is to cross light Sussex with buff orpingtons but I'm not exactly sure if I should do BO over LS or LS over BO, assuming these combinations would even work. I've always liked buff colored poultry and currently have three buff brahmas but I would like to move over to a clean legged bird with a single comb, that also isn't so slow on maturing. I would like to keep a line of BO, LS going, along with some columbian colored orpingtons as a dual purpose flock. I've also have read that white over buff creates a sex link?? Any advice or confirmation on this topic would be most helpful.

Cross a buff male with a light susssex ( light sussex are of the columbian variety). This will produce females that are buff with some black in the hackles, wings and tail. The amount of black can vary. They will resemble black tailed buff. The buff carries a gene that removes much of the black from the body and the females will inherit one of these genes.. The female offspring will not have enough black in their plumage to be considered buff columbian.

If the offspring have white in their plumage, this is caused by the dominant white gene, Some buff carry dominant white so the offspring may inherit the gene from the buff orpington.

The males from the cross will be columbian ( light sussex) but they carry a gene that they can give to their offspring to make buff columbian males and females.

Cross the best orpington type offspring male ( he will be columbian) with two or three of the best orpington type female buff columbian like offspring. From this cross you should get some second generation buff columbian offspring both male and female. This second generation may not be perfect but will be similar to buff columbian. There will be other variaties produced- sell them as hybrid egg layers.

You should have good orpington type among the birds produced. Not every bird will have good type- that is why you have to hatch chicks until you get what you want- good type and correct plumage color pattern.

The key to producing buff columbian is to breed out the gene that is reducing the amount of black in the hackles, wings and tail of the birds ( found in the buff orp) and at the same time selecting birds ( breeders) that have the buff orpington type.

Tim

 

[Tuhmu]

Sounds like I got my work cut out for me. Challenge accepted! So from reading this advice and other tidbits from other topics, I'm going to have to
1. Have large hatches, to give a better chance for faults in the birds to show.
2. Cull ruthlessly
3. Not forget that I need to keep in mind body confirmation, as well as color

Another quick question, once I get to the second generation stage, do I start breeding them together? I know that's a ways down the road, but just for future planning. Thank you much for all the info so far.

 

[tadkerson]

Sounds like I got my work cut out for me. Challenge accepted!

So from reading this advice and other tidbits from other topics, I'm going to have to
1. Have large hatches, to give a better chance for faults in the birds to show.
2. Cull ruthlessly
3. Not forget that I need to keep in mind body confirmation, as well as color

Another quick question, once I get to the second generation stage, do I start breeding them together? I know that's a ways down the road, but just for future planning. Thank you much for all the info so far.

yes. mate any birds that have good body type and good color pattern. I forgot to add that the gene that takes black color from the bird does this while working with the gene that causes the columbian color pattern. If you produce birds with the gene ( not the columbian gene) they will look similar to he columbian but the color of the males and females will be different- a darker brown red color instead of an orange red found in the columbian.

Your first cross you only need to produce 10 birds. They will all be basicly the same ( males will carry one gene not found in females).

Concerning the crosses after the first- just cross birds until you get what you want. Down color of the chicks will be a good indicator if they contain the correct genes.

Tim

 

[lildinkem]

For now I have my 2 Buff Columbian hens in with one of my Buff Orp cockerels. I already bred the older hen to a White and made a White/Silver Columbian cockerel this season. I expect to better the quality next year when I take the White/Silver Columbian cockerel to some more Whites.

 

[Tuhmu]

Thank you very much for the help, it is going to be a great addition to my chicken bible. my Sussex and orpingtons won't be ready until next spring, so I have a lot of time to get more excited over this and the fact that it will actually be reachably possible.

 

[Tuhmu]

Cute chickens you got there!

 

[lildinkem]

I have about a 1/2 dozen cockerels who have this look. Prolly cull but 2. These came out of my breeding a Silver Cuckoo Orp cockerel to that Buff Columbian. All but one of about a dozen offspring have the White skin legs. I am breeding her to a Buff cockerel rite now.






Even got 2 "Lemon" Buff Cuckoos from that breeding.

 

[tadkerson]

Quote:Originally Posted by lildinkem

I have about a 1/2 dozen cockerels who have this look. Prolly cull but 2. These came out of my breeding a Silver Cuckoo Orp cockerel to that Buff Columbian. All but one of about a dozen offspring have the White skin legs. I am breeding her to a Buff cockerel rite now.



All of your males should be silver if you crossed a silver male with a gold (Buff Columbian) hen. Can you post a pick of the male silver cuckoo orpington? I am also puzzled by your description of the male. Is the male a cuckoo orpington. Like on this web site.

http://www.cotcomberarebreeds.co.uk/orpington-bantams.html

Tim