Color Breeding Qestions! HELP!

[briarpatchfarms]

Hopefully out of all this info this will help!

 

[WiseChicks]

Hey, I honestly wasn't trying to offend anyone!!! I didn't mean "rolley eyes" at the poster! I meant more "exasperated for not being able to wade through the site quickly with all of the languages present".)

Maybe I didn't go to the right area of the site. The "chose your colors to mix" area was very easy and straight forward, it was the results page that was very confusing. Maybe I tried it on a brain-dead day, but by the time I sifted through everypoint and explaination in each language to get the results, I was spending 20-30 minutes on one combination and results.

This illustrates exactly what I posted at the very beginning of this thread. I would like to compile a list of quick and easy cheatsheet combinations.

In thinking about this further, I realize I need to change the parameters of what I requested. I would like the knowledgeable folks out there to define what each color caries as a dominant trait and a recessive trait. Then it is easy to plug into a Mendel Square to figure out the probable combinations. Also, are things like lacing/barring/etc. secondary traits? How do they play into the Mendal square model?

Does that make sense?

Again, truly not meaning to offend anyone, simply trying to bring the various genetic color properties down to a quick and easy-to-figure level.

Katie

 

[hippichick]

Katie, I hope you don't think you offended me. I'm totally with you on this. The easier to understand, the better.

Paula

 

[Henk69]

Just a little offended I was...

Maybe this version is more to your liking. It has an extra summary tab page and "explain" hyperlinks.
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/overzicht.htm#plugintree
click the english hyperlink

Just ignore the genotypes in the old calculator, they can be hidden.

I think you can do it, you have talent

I have found that easier explanations are not always the best.
By all means make a cheat sheet but it will become ungainly soon.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

The problem is that it is not that easy to create a cheat sheet. Change just one allele and it can completely change the results--for some genes. For others you can make many changes and have very few changes to the phenotype (appearance).

If you go to the chicken calculator and select the variety you are interested in, it will change the alleles to meet the general geneotype for that variety. Which can be helpful, but the bird can be carrying one copy of recessive alleles that won't affect that bird's appearance, but will affect its offspring.

If the bird is, for example recessive white, virtually all other genes relating to plumage colour are turned OFF, so you can't really have an accurate guess as to which alleles are present.

Do you understand genetic terminology? Do you understand how genes work (recessive, dominant, incompletely dominant, etc.)? If not, those are the places to start.

If you do understand those, then simply add one gene and its alleles at a time. Play "fly-on-the-wall" to some of the more advanced/esoteric genetics topics and learn bit by bit. While a cheat sheet would be nice, a working one just wouldn't be that easy--many, many exceptions.

 

[Bluehenhatchery.com]

I have a lavender question. Is it possible to have a lavender laced color ?
like blue laced wyandotes accept lavender that breeds true? Im sure someone has the answer to this? wouldnt this be great?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I donlt know of any reason why this wouldn't work. The bird would need to be lav lav Pg Pg to breed true.

 

[Henk69]

Bluehenhatchery.com :

I have a lavender question. Is it possible to have a lavender laced color ?
like blue laced wyandotes accept lavender that breeds true? Im sure someone has the answer to this?

I considered that but my guess is: no.
Lavender is a very evenly spread color.
You might get a little effect but no big contrasts.

Lavender in muscovies suppresses lacing and other pattern.​

 

[WiseChicks]

Sonoran Silkies -

Yes, I did study genetics back in college (botany rather than chickens) so I do understand all of the sub items that can throw everything completely wonky; although I am admittedly very rusty!

Again, I am not looking to create the absolute be-all, end-all reference or matrix. That would be cumbersome in the extreme, and would be simply a copy of that multi-lingual matrix.

I am simply trying to look at the standard dominant and recessive traits in a specific color, knowing that there could be other forces in play that would give a totally unexpected result. That is the FUN of genetics! And some people will want to get deep into the whole world of genetics, and some will just want to stay with the basics.

Katie

 

[AnimalLady123]

Just a little offended I was...

Maybe this version is more to your liking. It has an extra summary tab page and "explain" hyperlinks.
http://home.hetnet.nl/~h.meijers69/overzicht.htm#plugintree
click the english hyperlink

Just ignore the genotypes in the old calculator, they can be hidden.

I think you can do it, you have talent

I have found that easier explanations are not always the best.
By all means make a cheat sheet but it will become ungainly soon.

Where is the "english hyperlink"?