Color genetics thread.

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by redrooster99, Sep 26, 2014.

  1. Bama1

    Bama1 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you for your quick reply his father was the English Chocolate/Black fellow and mom was American black. I will look closer tomorrow at the color of the hackles I just always though it was an iridescent blue. And yes a sunburst color neck would be an accurate description. I had looked and looked for a "color" that he matches and couldn't find anything. Thank you again
     
  2. Adorkable

    Adorkable Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you, this was very helpful!
     
  3. malndobe

    malndobe Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Looking at the Brockbar photos CanuckBock posted, they are exactly what I wanted to ask about. Until those photos, and a bird I have, every barred bird I have seen in person, in photos, or in breed illustrations has a barred tail. What genetics give the barred body but a solid colored tail?
     
  4. Tammylr

    Tammylr Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Looking at the Brockbar photos CanuckBock posted, they are exactly what I wanted to ask about. Until those photos, and a bird I have, every barred bird I have seen in person, in photos, or in breed illustrations has a barred tail. What genetics give the barred body but a solid colored tail?[/quote


    Wheaten lets there be a black tail but the gene site says that it can sometimes fade.
     
  5. malndobe

    malndobe Chillin' With My Peeps

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  6. Tammylr

    Tammylr Chillin' With My Peeps

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    He does look like a rhodebar. Very pretty.
     
  7. CanuckBock

    CanuckBock THE Village Ijit

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    Interesting...in Grant Brereton's 21st Century Poultry Breeding, page 26, lower right photo is similar to your male. [​IMG]

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    Most often I would expect to see barred tails in my males.

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    But as the progression of crossings go on my barred/cuckoo breedings...

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    Solid coloured tail feathers begin to make appearances...this male in front has solid beetle green black in his tail feathers. [​IMG]


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    As does this male, solid beetle green black in some of his tail feathers.


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    More colour yet again but the red is still broken up with some subtle barring.


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    In a baby like this...you can already SEE the tail feathers will be solid, solid in no pigment white.

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    Baby like this one above becomes a male like this one on the bottom of the photo...

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    Some barring marks on the tail but also solid white feathers. Based on eb Brown and/or eWh Wheaten in this line.


    Here is an example of what a single dose of Wheaten will do to an otherwise beetle green black tail on an eb Brown base (NO barring/cuckoo tho). The brown colour is more a diluted black or as finger painting will reveal, a mix of both chicken colour pigments, red AND black = brown (or copper in this case since the bubbles on the surface of the feather are making a green shine).

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    This male is a standard sized Red Chantecler (Partridge eb/eb x Wheaten eWh/eWh = eb/eWh).

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    His tail is copper, so a muted beetle green black that is diluted with red/orange.​


    Wheaten eWh also disallows black markings in the hackle...so you get a clean unmarked feather in that region. This particular male lacks the Partridge "diamonds" in the hackle. Wheaten can be dominant or recessive pending what other genetics are in the combination...a rather confusing allele of the e-series.

    eb Brown allows for a solid tail colour as does E Extended Black and Birchen ER, well Brichen allows for the patterned tail feathers in males, examples being MALES in Polish & Sebright have laced tails, Silver Spangled Hamburger has spangled, and the Campine has autosomal barred.

    Hope some of this helps--probably clear as mud, eh? [​IMG]

    Doggone & Chicken UP!

    Tara Lee Higgins
    Higgins Rat Ranch Conservation Farm, Alberta, Canada
     
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  8. Bama1

    Bama1 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you so much for the assistance!
     
  9. Melissa77

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    I'm so lost cause I can't seem to find speciFic answers when googling. So I thought I'd try here. I'm understanding a bit about what makes what but i cant seem to simply find "how do i know what is recessive and what is dominant in my bird?"

    I feel as though this is either one of those it isn't that simple or oh here's a chart kind of questions lol.

    Thanks!
     
  10. jerryse

    jerryse Overrun With Chickens Premium Member

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    Since you are starting to learn it is best to go slow and learn small chunks of info . There is a lot to learn . Yes there are a few charts around but only on 1 color gene at a time . Pick a color you do not understand and ask questions about that color . It has taken me years to learn what I know . Still learning .
     

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