Colorado Shooting - How horrible!

[thaiturkey]

I read them...

I can't find data that match those you quote and I have to say that they don't equate with my experience here compared with what seems to be happening where you are. In any event, people here don't commonly walk around carrying weapons, I feel safe at home and in public and I don't feel the need to shoot or threaten to shoot people. I feel very sorry for you if your area is as dangerous as you say it is. Perhaps you would feel more comfortable moving a few miles to a better place.

Perhaps, on the other hand, your area is not as dangerous as you seem to think it is. It has occurred to me that some of the risk might be in the head rather than real. Who was it said, 'Be careful for what you wish, for it may happen'?

 

[Minchi]

Lesson learned do not give smart people guns... Sounds dumb but it's true..

Look at Columbine shooting, Virgina Tech, alot more, then this... These people weren't hicks or rednecks, they're the people you least expect to do such a thing.

Look at Chicago shootings lately, 25 deaths in July mostly gang related...those are the unexpected smart people???? This is in a state with the worst gun control laws in the US and they have the worst gun violence. The shooting in the theater stands out because it was massive and we don't know why this man with a bright future snapped. The more we don't understand the bigger the story. The majority shooting stories are the same story, there have been two shootings in Aurora since this one that were reported but mostly over looked. It take some intelligence to pull off what this man did so maybe the mass shootings are performed or planned by intelligent people but the majority of shooting victims are related to gang violence.


Note: Columbine was a kid who got a guns illegally (and easily convinced friend who was tired of being treated badly) and was mentally unstable, anyone could have seen that one coming if they had only taken the signs seriously. Everyone they shot was intentional and someone who hurt them or helped to hurt them in there eyes. That was my senior year of High School I knew some of the kids at that school, I had been in that school and could visualize what was happening, I even knew one kid who was killed. Also there is more to it then the story you heard, that morning there were pipe bombs, most fake in front of every local high school including mine. The one in front of mine was real. (I know of at least 7 different high schools but I know there were more then that)

As for the Virgina Tech Shooting the man who committed that act was severely mentally unstable and under current and past gun laws should not have been able to purchase a gun. A panel that reviewed the case faulted the government for allowing him to buy weapons and the teachers for not recognizing that his mental state had severely deteriorated in the years leading up to the attack. The panel determined that this could have been prevented had someone stepped in or the government had not misinterpreted the privacy laws in regards to background check on gun apps.

Last note: On my posting I did say a trained person with a CC, not just anyone. I have seen the movie and the movie was not extremely dark someone who knew what they were doing, like one of the three military personnel who were killed could have taken him out. I have to think there were more then just the three there.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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Those are the numbers I got from the first link I got when I typed "guns in thailand" in to google. I have not claimed that the US is more or less dangerous than any other country. You on the other hand seem so sure how much safer Thailand is than the US cause of the gun control. The numbers I see say that is not true so you are welcome to show me where my numbers are wrong.

Edited to add...
Though you are right that I may see more danger around me that the average person around me. I spent the first 13 years of my life fighting fires an doing emergency medicine. I have seen more people die than I can remember from more causes than I can remember. I have also saved more lives than I can remember. A few cause I carry a gun, a few cause I keep paper towels in my truck an probably a few cause I sleep dressed. Dose that make me crazy? Maybe... But it has worked for me.

 

[Royd]

I've been out of town for two weeks, but have kept up with everything. I will stir the pot with a paraphrase from my brother. "What kind of a parent takes their 6 year old kid to a violent R rated movie, at midnight? If they'd been doing the right thing, the kid would have been tucked safely in bed, with the parent watching over him or her.

BTW, Ever heard the phrase, "Nothing good happens after midnight."?

 

[Minchi]

From what I have seen in my research the places that have the strictest laws appear to have the worst gun crime. I have looked at statistics for Chicago, LA, New York, Oregon, Colorado, London, and Switzerland. Now that is not a full picture and corruption, unrest, and poverty skew the numbers greatly. I am not aware of the gun laws in Thailand, Africa, China, Japan, Australia, Indonesia, South America, Mexico, Middle East, or Canada nor the Gun Crime information. I do know that the country with the second least crime in the world actually trains its people in high school how to care for an assault rifle. (Switzerland) Just food for thought.

 

[Minchi]

I've been out of town for two weeks, but have kept up with everything. I will stir the pot with a paraphrase from my brother. "What kind of a parent takes their 6 year old kid to a violent R rated movie, at midnight? If they'd been doing the right thing, the kid would have been tucked safely in bed, with the parent watching over him or her.

BTW, Ever heard the phrase, "Nothing good happens after midnight."?

My father use to quote that to me all the time when I was a kid... LOL

I agree, what kind of parent takes a 6 year old kid to a rated "R' Movie at midnight. Truthfully that was one boring Rated 'R" movie but still wouldn't the "R" mean something to you? Teenagers who sneak out to see it is one thing but actually taking you 6 year old or younger kid.... No one deserves what happen but it would be nice if some parents would think.

 

[chickened]

If you allow the police to decide liability following an accident, it usually falls on the person who appears most likely to be able to pay. Motorcyclists usually have the minimum legal cover which is inadequate even for minor damage. I never heard of a distinction being drawn between scooters and bikes unless you mean push bikes for which insurance isn't required. I would let our insurers sort out liability. I know of several cases where the car driver was not to blame and neither he nor his insurers paid the biker. I don't know where extortion comes into that.

Police here carry handguns. They don't shoot you because you disagree with their suggestions regarding liability for an accident!

Yes, Thailand is a corrupt country. The difference here is that everyone is part of the system, not just the politicians, super-wealthy and financial crooks. Police pay comes partly from fines. If you are caught speeding you pay, on the spot, the equivalent of around US$7.

Has your friend ever been shot at in a cinema in Thailand?

What part of Thailand is your friend from? What's he doing in your neck of the woods?

I will ask him. He has 8 children 5 of which are in Thailand 3 here. He has been back twice and he said he paid about 1000.00 in fees the last time he was there for 4 weeks. 50.00 a day car rental and 2 or 3 bucks every time to park and he said if you do not pay the police will follow you until you pay them.

I can understand why the police would not want the people armed.

If you attempt to pay a cop here you get arrested for bribery.

He is a retired machinist and is my contact for selling all my cull chickens. He speaks all the oriental languages and provides chickens to most of the asian community in Portland and Seattle.

He did tell me that one of his kids is going to medical school in Vietnam because it is about 5,000.00 a year there and about 25,000.00 in Thailand.

He has not been shot in a movie theater but did say the crooks are the cops.

 

[mom'sfolly]

Don't blame parents for what happened...for shame!

PG-13, not R

Entirely inappropriate.

Again, I refer to the Ft. Hood case when everyone says that a concealed carry would have stopped this tragedy. In Ft. Hood, 13 people were killed in broad daylight on a military base. Two people returned fire on a gunman without body armor. One of those people, a cop, was seriously injured and disarmed; the second, also a cop, put four shots into Hasan before he stayed down. This was after 3 unarmed people went after him, and two of those died. In a dark theater, with a gunman dressed in black body armor your average CC person would have taken him out? Right, stick with that delusion if it makes you feel better, but it is I think it is a wild fantasy, which people are using to make themselves feel like they would not have been a victim.

 

[Ferrret]

I've been out of town for two weeks, but have kept up with everything. I will stir the pot with a paraphrase from my brother. "What kind of a parent takes their 6 year old kid to a violent R rated movie, at midnight? If they'd been doing the right thing, the kid would have been tucked safely in bed, with the parent watching over him or her.

BTW, Ever heard the phrase, "Nothing good happens after midnight."?

The Dark Knight Rises is a PG-13 movie, not an R rated movie.
The movie rating system is so broken it may as well not matter at all anyhow.

Parents take their kids to midnight shows because they cannot find a babysitter, they don't want to leave the kid at home alone, or the kid really likes the movie. There have been plenty of kid friendly movies that have had midnight release parties and kids get very excited about it.
I don't agree with taking kids to midnight shows, there will be other showtimes, but parents make their own judgement calls on how to raise their kids.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Again, I refer to the Ft. Hood case when everyone says that a concealed carry would have stopped this tragedy. In Ft. Hood, 13 people were killed in broad daylight on a military base. Two people returned fire on a gunman without body armor. One of those people, a cop, was seriously injured and disarmed; the second, also a cop, put four shots into Hasan before he stayed down. This was after 3 unarmed people went after him, and two of those died. In a dark theater, with a gunman dressed in black body armor your average CC person would have taken him out? Right, stick with that delusion if it makes you feel better, but it is I think it is a wild fantasy, which people are using to make themselves feel like they would not have been a victim.

I am a little lost as to how pointing to a shooting that was ended when people fought back proves fighting back does not save lives?