Compensation for losses- help with calculating

Discussion in 'Predators and Pests' started by ultasol, Dec 12, 2009.

  1. ultasol

    ultasol Chillin' With My Peeps

    Apr 30, 2009
    SE Washington
    I paid anywhere from 6-8 dollars a chick, they were all standard wyandottes from Urch that were auctioned off this spring as a fundraiser for 4H. BOY these birds ate. That said, I had my neighbors dog get into my coop 2x, two and a half months apart.
    This dog does NOT have a fenced yard, and came over my four stand non-electrified wire fence then jumped and dug at the doors on my arrow shed (hen house, with attached run) and knocked the doors off track enough to get in.

    After stitching together my last remaining standard chicken, a white wyandotte roo, (thank goodness I keep my silkies indoors and my geese in a tall chainlink fenced area) I have done two things to prevent further attacks:

    1) called owners again (third time I've called, 1x after 1st attack, once about a month later saw her on my property, 3rd yesterday when birds attacked again). They say they will compensate me, but I am certain they only expect to pay a few dollars a bird. Their solution was to threaten the children with giving the dog away- not goign to fence yard and still not putting her in her kennel when she is outdoors.

    2) I purchased, at MY expense, $500 of electric netting and a solar charger.

    I enjoy raising meat/egg birds, and now the flock I put so much work into (sexing, socializing, supplementing, renovating a coop for) is gone except one roo.

    *****What would you calculate as food utilized per bird if you have had them 9 months?*****

    I want to charge for
    1) cost of bird;
    2) cost of feed;
    3) damage to coop doors.

    I tried so hard to be nice- they seem educated and neighborly, but they obviously just don't understand. I cannot shoot the dog (don't own a gun) and even if I did they watch her well for awhile, and I can't afford to sit outside with a shotgun for a month or two waiting for them to relax again. They said they won't put up fencing now since they jsut paid for landscaping. Since money seems to talk, I do want a realistic estimate of loss, although I want to exclude future loss (from egg/meat production) at this time.
     
  2. ultasol

    ultasol Chillin' With My Peeps

    Apr 30, 2009
    SE Washington
    Oh, and if anyone knows where to get standard wyandottes (real ones, not the hatchery ones that are smallish) I would like to know. I would like to replace these, but I can't justify having them pay for 25 chicks from urch plus shipping when I only had 15 birds to start with.


    I did see this http://www.mcmurrayhatchery.com/faqhowmuchismy.html
     
  3. powerline

    powerline Out Of The Brooder

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    Add the price of each bird, plus $10 for feed per bird and the price of an electric fence. If the neighbor doesn't want to pay the price take your neighbor to court.
     
  4. Bizzybirdy

    Bizzybirdy Chillin' With My Peeps

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    $20. per hen plus feed costs plus damages to your property. If they do not want to pay take them to court...very easy to do and the court will also fine them and they will pay court costs on top of what you will be awarded. Shame that sometimes the only way to get neighbors to pay attention is by way of their finances. Three strikes against yours. Past time for them to pay up and keep their dog up!

    So sorry for your loss.
     
  5. alicefelldown

    alicefelldown Looking for a broody

    Aug 18, 2008
    I don't think you should ask them for the cost of your fence, but they should pay for the damage to your coop.

    What do your local laws and ordinances say about wandering/murdering dogs? If there is (and there most likely is) a code of some sort that doesn't allow that, you need to point it out to your neighbors and if they balk at containing their dog(s) then you need to start calling animal control and/or the police.

    I'd search through the completed auction archives to get a price idea for the birds - here is one that was $150 for 8 hens and 3 roosters: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=251779
     
  6. ultasol

    ultasol Chillin' With My Peeps

    Apr 30, 2009
    SE Washington
    Unfortunately we live in an area without animal control. The county areas, outside of the city limits, have no AC services. I called the police after the first time, and all he said was "shoot the dog". That does not help in this situation.

    I am working up a quote now, problem is in order to get chicks (approx 6-9.50 each) you have to order 24 or 25. While I wouldn't mind getting that many, I wouldn't feel right asking them for that.

    I won't ask them for fencing costs, but it really SUCKS that I had to put out $500 because I don't want to loose more livestock.
     
  7. horsejody

    horsejody Squeaky Wheel

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    Urch/Turnland Poultry
    2142 NW 47 Ave.
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    507-451-6782

    Is this where your chickens came from? Call and ask if they sell older birds. If they do, you can get a quote that includes shipping.
     
  8. greyhorsewoman

    greyhorsewoman Chillin' With My Peeps

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    So sorry~! Unfortunately, if you went to court, your losses would most likely be limited to whatever the birds were worth at the time of death. Costs to repair damage to your property are also valid. Compensation for the upkeep of the animals, property 'improvements' or potential production is rarely considered in a court claim. A point of lay hen would be worth $10-$25, depending on breed and area of country, unless it was a rare breed that can be proven to be more valuable.
     
  9. horsejody

    horsejody Squeaky Wheel

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    Quote:Not true. The judge had no problem awarding me the value of eggs that would have been laid.
     
  10. CMV

    CMV Flock Mistress

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    The cost of feeding 15 birds for 9 months is roughly $270. I'd also include the cost of one year of eggs from each female that was killed at the rate eggs are going for in your area. Good luck.
     

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