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Oh Sunflower, that is just wonderful news! I am so glad the vet got back in touch with you. Now hopefully you can get some rest tonight and maybe by morning she'll be completely out of the woods! I am glad that the vet is taking precautions too. Keep the prayers going. God cares for all creatures!
I meant to say Trish, that I took out Marshmallow's stitches and she didn't even notice. It sure beat loading her back in the car and driving for 30 minutes each direction while wrestling her. I just snipped and pulled. I had tweezers to pull with but didn't need them. I actually just used my fingertips. I've had enough surgeries and had stitches removed so I wasn't doubting in the least I could do it. Then it was easier than I ever thought. I am allergic to external stitches so mine were always kind of stuck and hurt when they pulled them. Not the case with hers, they slid right out.

I'm sure there are things here that would terrify people from elsewhere. Heavens I have things out here on the farm that terrify my city born and raised daughter in law. It is hard to imagine living with so many deadly creatures on a regular basis though.

We've always taken out our dogs' stitches; they don't even seem to notice. Dogs don't have as many pain receptors as humans do.

A couple of years ago, we had a neighbor who moved here from New York. He was in his early 20s and was here for a year to help set up something for the company he worked for, which was based in NY. He was looking forward to all our great hunting and fishing. He ended up moving back to NY early because it was too hot for him. He always made me laugh, though, because every snake he saw was a rattler and every spider was either a black widow or brown recluse. I rarely even think about those things. I just think, "dang it, another spider."

I used to work with a girl from Georgia who was terrified of tornadoes. I kept thinking, but you have hurricanes in Georgia! I guess it's all in what you're used to.

Could be the full moon!!! Seriously. It affects all things. Chickens just don't lay every day in general and they stop and start every now and then. The bodies can just do a limited amount. If your chickens were buddies I am sure that would have the same affect as being moved to a new home or something.

It's something, because mine have slacked off again. The new girls are still laying pretty regularly, but the others are slowing down again.

I had a dog back in the 70s when I lived along a hiway, running to me when I called her, and got hit right in front of me. I will never forget that sound and my horror. I was standing out by the road when it happened. The driver put on his brakes and started to stop as I was running across the hiway to get to her. But when I waved frantically ( I had no car to get to town in and needed help) he sped off like lightening. He had no idea what he hit. It could have been a child for all he knew 'cause she came up out of the ditch. I hope that man still has nightmares and wonders if he killed a human being. Not only was that one of the first major horrors of my life but it was also one of the first times I realized how terrible human beings can be.
At any rate I was stuck with 3 toddlers, and no vehicle and a dog that was dying in my arms. I still occasionally have dreams about it and feel guilty for calling her to me. I had no idea a car was going to pop over the hill. I babysat a toddler, and when his father dropped him off that morning he failed to close the gate. So my dog had run to the pasture across the road. It makes me terribly over sensitive about these things. I mean... it's been about 40 years ago and it still haunts me.
Things happen that we have no control over. It's just a very unfortunate thing that can leave a real scar on us.
I just hope this one turns out for the good!

We had a Weim and a Border Collie at our old house. DH would always just let them out of the house to go to the bathroom. I didn't like it because we lived in town and the yard wasn't fenced, but I didn't protest much. They never, never left the yard. Until one day the Weim did, chasing after something. She ran right in front of a truck and was hit. We were inside so didn't actually see it, but some girls who were walked nearby said the truck never even slowed down to see what had happened. Still, it wasn't his fault our dog ran out in front of him and I still haven't totally forgiven us for that. It was a long time before I could look at the spot where it happened. Our vet came out and took her to the office, even though it was about 10 at night. He did a brief check and kept her overnight in case there were internal injuries. I called first thing the next morning and was told she was doing well, resting. Two hours later when I went to visit her, the vet had not been in yet and the assistant didn't want to talk to me. She kept telling me I needed to see the vet when he came in. I got very insistent and she finally told me Molly had died. She suddenly had trouble breathing and just died. To this day I believe they just stuck her in a kennel and then ignored her. Who knows if they even checked on her when I had called, or maybe they were lying because they wanted the vet to have to tell me. (Yeah, I'm still bitter.) But in the end it was our own #$%^ fault and I've never fully gotten over the trauma of that. So yeah, it leaves a scar. I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience as well.

I'm so glad you got to see for yourself that your dog is recovering, Sunflower, and that the vet has a prognosis for sending her home soon.

So - I'm just full of bad news lately...

Went out to put my chickens up for the night and one was dead in the yard with its head eaten off and feathers everywhere - odd how this has never happened until Fern isn't around.

I'm so sorry. You really need a break from the bad stuff!

I had a nice time with my granddaughter this evening, she had her practice & then I took her to Sonic to eat because she said she hadn't eaten supper yet. They never have a regular mealtime at that house, it's just whenever somebody decides to either cook or go out to eat. A lot of the time I think they eat out, but her 13 year old sister said she has been cooking quite a bit lately. I'm glad someone is because her mom won't, I haven't known her to cook anything but cookies in the 8 or 9 years I have known her. I don't see how you get through life never knowing how to cook, it's just foreign to me. My mother taught me to cook when I was young & I have been doing it all the years since. It's really bad for her mom too, she's a severe diabetic.

I'm so glad you had that time with your granddaughter. I miss having time with my niece. She's in high school now and just doesn't have the time to come over very much. I love to cook, so I have a hard time understanding why anyone wouldn't. I know a lot of people who don't, though. A couple of years ago, my niece asked me to teach her to cook, so we chose a day each week when she would stay later, and we'd cook dinner together. She loved it and wanted to cook at home. The first thing we tackled was sauteeing and she planned out a whole meal and made a timeline for what to do and when so she could make dinner at home. It took about 2 weeks before her parents carved out a day for her to do it. The next thing we did as a pasta bake, and her parents never made a day for her to cook that for them. Then her mother began making all kinds of appointments for my niece for that day of the week and that was the end of cooking lessons.
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So sorry about your bird. :(

Crazy, I have always loved to cook and enjoy it. It's cheaper and of course, healthier to cook, too. You don't know if the food you eat --where it's come from. I buy my ground beef and chicken hormone free and same with my milk. I try to do my best to buy whole grains to cook with or eat. Not that we don't eat out on ocassion-- but honestly, not very often. We already have a big problem with children's weight and growing and maturing too fast. It is heartening to see that we are trending back to whole foods, but I sure wish more people were on board with that. It would encourage them to cook at home, have that family time at the dinner table and get more involved with each other.

I ran across a guy up here in Peck who was offering beef for sale and he said his beef was all from the Kerrymere line and I about fell over and told him that was MY dad's line that he and his dad started. He didn't believe me!!! I told my dad about it and he just thought it was sooo cool that his line lives on.

That's cool about the beef!

My mom didn't really teach me to cook. She worked all day then came home and made dinner. My job was tearing lettuce for salads and setting the table. She probably thought I was learning, but I wasn't! I didn't even know how to put together a menu or how much to cook for a given number of people. I started teaching myself in my very early 20s and haven't stopped yet. It's an obsession. We're the same as you -- we try to buy the healthiest foods we can afford. We very rarely eat out and I often don't enjoy it as much as I think most people I know do. It bugs me to spend so much money on food that is often inferior to what I can make at home. Not that I'm some incredible chef, but I know where my food comes from and how it is prepared.

We buy source verified meat and milk that hasn't been treated with hormones and/or antibiotics. It's much cheaper to buy a whole or side of beef or pig, so we try to do that if possible. Our first beef was raised by a friend, grass fed Angus. Delicious! Same with our pig. By the time we needed more, neither of those people were raising animals any more. We finally found a guy on Craig's List who was raising grass fed Dexter cattle. It's the tastiest beef, but almost too lean. The steaks are tough, sometimes VERY tough. I'd love to get the names of anyone who is raising grass fed beef or pigs without chemical assistance. HEChicken, I'd love to know more about the meat you buy from the guy in Yoder.

I don't really love to cook but I like to know my family is eating well, so I do cook primarily from scratch. I find it interesting how accustomed our society has become to "convenience" foods and to everything being pre-boxed, pre-prepared, pre-mixed. My mother made everything from scratch and I didn't even know such things as pre-mixed cookie dough existed until I was an adult! I recently had an experience where I was asked to bring brownies to a birthday party. I looked up a recipe and made them from scratch, from my fresh stone-ground flour (that I buy from a lady in Derby) and my fresh eggs and all. I had so many comments from people saying how good they were and asking what brand of brownie mix I had used
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. I guess no one bakes from scratch any more so it never occurred to them there was no brand name involved. Funny in kind of a sad way. One of my kids' favorites remains "mac and cheese" but when they ask for it, they are asking for the stuff I make from scratch, and there is no comparison to that stuff that comes in a box. I buy all whole-wheat pasta, and make the cheese sauce over the stove, then pile it all into a casserole dish and bake it for an hour. I must say, that is what I call "comfort foods".

We've actually become so accustomed to scratch cooking that we find many convenience foods have an off taste to us. I guess that's a good thing -- keeps us on the healthier food path!

So, after all my soapboxing about real, homemade food, we're taking my parents out for dinner tonight.
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It's what we do for all the stuff like birthdays, anniversaries, mother's and father's day. They have all the stuff they want and they really enjoy going out. DH loves the fish tacos at Senor Tequila's and we all love Mexican food, so that's most likely where we'll end up tonight.

Hope everyone has a great day. As hot as it has been outside, it still doesn't feel that bad to me after all that 108 nonsense. My tomato production has slowed down drastically, though, after the rain. Shouldn't it be the opposite?!
 
HEChicken, wow that octopus is beautiful, I can see why you were attracted to it! We saw some regular octopus when we went snorkeling in Bonaire, but they didn't look anything like that. I don't think they had any like that at the aquarium we went to where we walked through the tunnel with the tank above & around us in New Zealand either. It was Tarlton's I think is what the name was, it was a huge place in Auckland that we saw on our cruise. We spent quite a few hours there walking through all of the exhibits, it was really beautiful.

cherwill, yeah I could very easily take out the dogs stitches, I have done it before. I just don't know what the Vet will think if we don't come back. They're both doing really well now, running around like nothing happened to them. I figured they would be since they're still young. Jasmine finally forgave me last night & came up wanting some sympathy though, so I gave her some attention for awhile & she is OK with me again. Isn't it funny how they can blame you for things that happen to them, just like a person.

sunflowerparrot, I'm glad you got to see Fern & that she is doing OK, let us know how it goes with the leg. I can't believe he is keeping her so long though.

I think my little chicks are improving every day, so that's good. I used the Tylan & now am giving them the Denagard, so hopefully they will get over this stuff. They seem to be eating well & drinking so I see that as a good sign. I just have almost all of my birds on the Dengard for a few days except for the little guineas & peahens. They haven't shown any signs of illness, so I'm not going to treat them unless I have to.

I would love to buy some meat from Yoder, but my DH won't spend the money up front to buy a quantity at a time. He really doesn't understand how much healthier it is. I have in the past raised a steer & pigs too & had them processed. That was the best meat I ever had & I knew what they had eaten. I would do it again if he was on board with it, but he doesn't want to put up fences or pens or have to deal with having someone have to feed more animals when we have to go out of town.
 
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I always have home grown beef. I buy it from a friend.He feeds them out on his own hay and grain he produces. I've been looking for a hog to finish but haven't found one yet at the price I want to pay. It's going to cost a bunch to finish feeding one out, so I don't want to pay a ton for a weaning pig. Also I don't want to buy someone else has raised because I won't be aware of how it was fed. Some people haven't even cut their boars and are selling them as meat hogs. That is just nuts in my book.
We actually got some sprinkles here. It hasn't done much but dampen the feed but at least it was sprinkles.
 
Thanks for the update on Fern. I bet Wednesday sounds like a long time away.....

It is going to take about 22 years for Wednesday to get here! But - as I think rationally (versus a crazy chicken lady missing her puppy like mad!), Wednesday is really going to work because I will be gone all day on Tuesday and would not think it is best to leave Fern all day in her condition. As it is, I am going to have to come up with a plan to keep her safe during the day and at night. I think I have a good plan for night (the chicken coop isn't quite ready for chickens, but will be a safe place for Fern at night to keep coyotes from her).. but, I don't know what I'm going to do with her during the day. Putting her somewhere inside a building with no AC wouldn't be good for her.. putting her outside isn't good for her.. am so open to suggestions.
 
sunflowerparrot, I'm glad you got to see Fern & that she is doing OK, let us know how it goes with the leg. I can't believe he is keeping her so long though.

He did say the shock she came in with was quite serious - perhaps he just wants to make sure she isn't going to relapse. Or - he thinks I'm completely incompetent? (which might be the case! :)
 
Okay, regurgitating a chicken: Lay chicken on its right side in your lap with head angled down. Massage gently in an upward motion (toward its beak) for 3 to 5 seconds max. (You don't want the chicken to inhale while doing this) Sour crop is when hard to digest grasses ferment in the crop and a fungal infection ensues. The crop will feel very soft and spongy like a water balloon. Some birds are just very prone to it and don't do well free ranging at all. They just have to eat regular pellet feed. My poor birdie was so bad, I only noticed it because she was huge on her crop side and I knew that wasn't right. She was still up and around and didn't seem sick. Sour crop smells, well, sour. It's noticeable if you're up close and personal. Since it is a fungal infection you actually give them monistat or lotrimin after helping the bird regurgitate the fermented grass and liquids which are toxic. My poor birdie had approx a pint of liquid in her crop! It was really awful and I felt terrible that I hadn't noticed anything wrong beforehand. She didn't make it through the night. Heartbreaking. I just couldn't believe she was gone so fast. Now I'm watching all the birds for signs of crop problems in the morning when I let them out for the day. Their crops should be empty at that point so it should be pretty easy to spot, now that I'm aware of it.
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I hate being ignorant.

An impacted crop is a different thing and if it doesn't clear up after giving it mineral oil, they generally need to have their crops cut into and cleaned out. There's more info on BYC about that. Thankfully I haven't had that yet.



HEChicken, would you pm me your Yoder connection for beef? I've been meaning to find a good source this fall but have been craZY busy and haven't even begun to look.

Gotta run, kids are out of school today for the holiday weekend. Craziness!

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Why is it now we're all on attack here over a dog? I don't think sunflowerparrot needs to be scolded for saying she is concerned over costs for caring for her injured dog. We've all been there if we have pets & we all know that it's expensive to get care for a sick or injured pet. I have personally been in her spot with a cat that had a horrible broken leg, a compound fracture. You do what you have to do, but to attack someone for verbailizing concern over cost is not right. She is doing what she needs to do for her puppy, she is getting care, so I really think we need to back off the soapboxes & lectures & give her a break. This whole thing has been pretty traumatic & it's hard enough to deal with without being lectured by everyone on top of it. Enough said.
 
thanks everyone one for giving me ideas about work. The reason i don't work is so i can raise our kids but things of tough for everyone and I'm just trying to prepare for whats to come. We had a wonderful playgroup back in El Paso but nothing here so far. We don't live on post we are over an hour away from fort Riley. I don't know anyone here that's what makes it so hard. I was thinking about working maybe at walmart at night and then DH can stay up with kiddos while i sleep. I've done nurses assistant and lab receptionist in the past

sunflower glad you could see fern
 
thanks everyone one for giving me ideas about work. The reason i don't work is so i can raise our kids but things of tough for everyone and I'm just trying to prepare for whats to come. We had a wonderful playgroup back in El Paso but nothing here so far. We don't live on post we are over an hour away from fort Riley. I don't know anyone here that's what makes it so hard. I was thinking about working maybe at walmart at night and then DH can stay up with kiddos while i sleep. I've done nurses assistant and lab receptionist in the past

sunflower glad you could see fern
I have some ideas for you! Of course, I'm a SAHM, too-- so I'm not currently working outside the home either in a traditional manner. I do think you might be able to work out something with a part time position at a grocery store, gas station, or even at the school or CoOp. I have been debating on going back to work in my career field which would put me back into aerospace and I just don't see the opportunity here like we used to, and I don't even know that I want to do that anyway! I helped put myself thru college by working as a Paraprofessional for the Wichita Public school system after I got my Associates. That helped with the next 4 years of college, plus it's usually a part time position, or it's all day on certain days. If you have an associates, that might be something to check into-- because you'd have summers off!! :) In fact, I'm thinking once my youngest gets into full day schooling next year, that just might be my "pud job" so that I can just make some cash and summer and holidays off. Give me something to do and get out of the house. Also, check at local churches, they have "Mother's Day Out" programs that will keep your kids for the morning hours for very cheap. I have taken advantage of those programs around here! They are great! I paid $60 a month for a local church to watch my kids for two days a week for 4 hours in the morning. Most churches have them-- so just start calling around. You don't even have to be a member to do something like that. AND-- some mom's I know would hit up another church and then get 4 days because they went to one church for 2 days and then another church for a different 2 days. So they had like 4 morning free. I thought it was funny. But it's CHEAP-- so if you are going to try to work during those hours for a PT job, that might be ideal. SO like said, call several churches and see what programs they have for babies and toddlers.

Well, my oldest mare has foundered. I'm sick, sick, sick about it. My farrier came out and looked at her and did some trimming and he is going to come back out on Saturday and do some more and we might need to start with corrective boots or shoeing. That is going to SUCK!!! I know it's going to cost me $160 just for the boots or shoes-- not even counting his fee. Shoot me now. LOL
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The last time she foundered, we had to have her set for over 6 months! So that was $160 a pop each time, and that is like every 4-6 weeks. I'm considering a part time position at the County Extension Office, they are looking for someone and I read the description and it would be super easy. It's publications, some design and a bit of teaching, organizing meetings, etc... sounds right up my alley. It's only 20 hours a week, so I don't know if I can fit it in when my youngest is in Preschool, or if I'll have to find a mommy group. We shall see.... not really sure I want to work right now, but it actually sounds like fun!

Right now I am working on a commissioned mural. (I was over there doing that all day today) I do murals here and there when I can. I've done two at the downtown Methodist church. I'll post a pic I took of the one I did today. It's starting to pull together nicely. :)
 
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And, Sunflower, please let us know how she is doing.
Why is it now we're all on attack here over a dog? I don't think sunflowerparrot needs to be scolded for saying she is concerned over costs for caring for her injured dog. We've all been there if we have pets & we all know that it's expensive to get care for a sick or injured pet. I have personally been in her spot with a cat that had a horrible broken leg, a compound fracture. You do what you have to do, but to attack someone for verbailizing concern over cost is not right. She is doing what she needs to do for her puppy, she is getting care, so I really think we need to back off the soapboxes & lectures & give her a break. This whole thing has been pretty traumatic & it's hard enough to deal with without being lectured by everyone on top of it. Enough said.
 

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