corn fed

[kiwi-chookn]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

Quote:
Any time any thing is bred from a selection program you are altering the genetics. Take a look at the myriad breeds of dogs, the only way you can get that from their wolf ancester is by altering the genetics.

The cornish cross that is so villainized on this board is a product of simple selection, no Genetic Modification in the lab, no gene splicing, no insertion of foreign genetics. It is simply breeding.

Jim

close but not quite right.
All that is being done is breeding and backcrossing against whichever sex has the genes expressed that are wanted,either dominant or recessive.
Then a whole lot of backcrossing using the individuals that exhibit traits that you are wanting.
Sometimes enviroment can have an effect on traits in some species of pants,not sure if its possible with animals,in one generation anyways.
Genetics still confuse me very easily.​

 

[united]

dancingbear ; you're better than Wikipedia>

. Thanks

 

[dancingbear]

Quote:
You're welcome, and thanks for the compliment!

 

[patimekiller]

I stand sum what corrected on cxs. They taste great but what is altered is the corn or grain we MAY feed them round up ready corn is that natural. I did not mean to cause a stir in this forum. I am sorry and stand corrected. I still feed corn or grain just not fully. May be I am up in my sleep. But I have to believe a little of what food Inc protrayed about what and how we as a society eat.

 

[dancingbear]

Quote:
I haven't watched Food, Inc. yet, I'd like to when I get a chance. IMO, you are right to be concerned, there is an incredible amount of harmful crap in our food. But CX's aren't genetically engineered. I try help by identifying incorrect info, because it just confuses the issue, and it makes the facts seem less credible, if a lot of people believe the wrong stuff.

But you're right that the corn we get may or may not be GMO, but that's true no matter what kind of chickens you raise. I avoid GMO's when I can, by growing my own veg and fruit as much as I can. I cook almost everything from scratch, including often baking my own bread. But when you buy feed, or bread, or grain products, unless you have an affordable source of non-GMO products, you're pretty much just rolling the dice as to what you're getting. It's also why we're raising most of our own meat. Last summer we raised some pigs for the freezer, and in another year, (or less) we will be raising our own beef. I hope to have a dairy animal at some point, whether that will be a cow or a goat, I haven't decided.

Avoidance of processed foods is a big one, that's where a lot of nasty stuff is hidden. Not just GMO's, but MSG, high fructose corn syrup, and a myriad of questionable chemicals. I read labels a lot. If it has a list of stuff I would never have in my kitchen, I usually don't buy it. I've managed to cook wholesome, tasty food my whole life, without using modified food starch, hydrolyzed protein, MSG, sodium benzoate, and so on. A lot of the stuff in processed food really doesn't need to be there, especially in canned or frozen food.

You can always google something if you don't know what it is, some very benign sounding stuff is actually bad, and some scary sounding stuff is actually good. For example, I sometimes see things that are preserved by "mixed tocopherols". That's various forms of vitamin E. "Cyanocobolamine" is B-12. "Hydrolyzed vegetable (or soy) protein" is a hidden source of glutamates, as in monosodium glutamate. So finding out what something really is can be helpful.

I hope you continue to question what's in the food. Blindly accepting what the big corps cook for us is a big mistake, IMO. And not needed mostly, it's not that hard to prepare food!

 

[uhuh555]

A good book about how a finite gene pool can result in slight changes in all living things--the Territorial Imperative. Cornish X is nothing more than selectively bred chicken. It is fast growing and maturing, requiring 2 to 3 times the nutrients the average chick needs. To many try to get by with cheap feed—so naturally cheap gets what cheap gives—not much except heavy losses, low weights, lethargic birds and unlimited complaints.

 

[seedcorn]

Quote:
They actually require less when you look at feed per pound of gain. It seems like more because they are growing fast. A non-selected bird for growth may eat less per day but they will be around many more days and the keep on consuming feed for growth and simple body maintaince.

 

[uhuh555]

I wasn't very clear about cheap feed--I meant the nutrient quality not quantity. Some here have tried feeding layer, scratch feed…maybe fine for layer but not formulated for broilers.

 

[patimekiller]

Thank you for correcting me. But you need to see food Inc goggle it and you will find it's DVD well worth the bucks for it. Herlom veggis are a good way to go there are a few seed sellers around look on the web you will find em.

 

[dancingbear]

Quote:
Yeah, there are some great seed companies selling non-GMO heirloom varieties of seeds, that's what I use, almost exclusively. I grow maybe 1 or 2 hybrids a year, sometimes just to see how they are, but the rest are heirloom. Bountiful Gardens, Baker Creek, Fedco, Southern Exposure, and Seeds of Change, to name a few. There are more, and they're growing every year.