Crate to Coop Conversion -- Part 2

[aart]

Perhaps a message has been lost in all of your posts that has lead to some hostility towards you. I think this, along with your own defensiveness and a little arrogance may be chasing you away.

All people are trying to say is, this little crate is too small for alot of chickens. No its not a crime to have more than the socially accepted amount of chickens in such a space, but its not considered animal friendly. Have you seen battery farms? Hens live there, they produce eggs, people make money. Does this make the 30cm x 30cm space they live in acceptable? The farm owners certainly think so.

You have come to a pet owners forum. This is not for commercial farmers, hence the sights name. And a commercial farmer would have no interest in these little boxes, they deal in thousands of chickens, not a few and a barn or wharehouse is far more suited.

You may be an engineer, but not a business man, you have no idea what your target market is. Let me help you.

a coop this size, your biggest market would be the back yard chicken owner: people that want to keep a few hens for pets and a few eggs. That is the people on this forum.

All you needed to do to make this into a really nice coop was cut a couple of holes for ventillation, add a roost and a simple nest for egg laying,. Paint it to make it look pretty and away you go.

Instead you decided to challenge the knowledge of everyone on here, mock them with sarcastic posts and apply your suppior brain with facts backed up from a few sales to people that are not your largest market.

I think your arrogance is clouding your judgement, why nt try what people have suggested, advertise in the right places and see how you get on?

Also, am I the only person that sees the irony in "desgin it right the first time" in a thread titled " coop design part 2"?

Engineers worse enemy is their own unchecked arrogance, separates the true engineers from the ones who need to keep saying "I'm an Engineer".

No @waynem1983 You're not the only one.

My last customer is breeding about 20 different pedigrees of chickens to sell aside from his management day job, and he needs a compact way to keep all his breeds separated. He bought two of my basic crates to try out. He'll probably use them for brooders starting out and them convert them to roosts for about 2 to 3 chickens. Maybe he'll give me permission to show his collection. It will take a lot of pictures to do that. It sure is a nice one -- maybe two hundred chickens altogether.

You were told umpteen times in several threads that it might make a good brooder or breeding coop...everyone agreed that it was fine for a few chooks.

 

[supercoops]

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Nobody is really listening anyway. Perhaps your communication skills are better.


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I concluded that a while back and confirmed it with a professional breeder back in post 55. It's only good for 2 or 3 chickens.

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Your point is ok. It just sounds kind of silly when forum members object to peer-reviewed studies about space requirements like those published by University of Maryland. It's difficult for me to believe anything else they have to say:





Quote: I guess you missed my point altogether. I would contact a professional farmer because they know a lot more, and they make a profit rather than bleeding red ink. My last coop/crate customer is a backyard breeder and he is profitable.


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Actually I'm both. I have a 4 year degree in business administration with an accounting major along with my engineering degree. I've used them equally in my last 25 years of professional employment. Do continue.

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Very good, I've done that and all I need to do is post the pictures, which I hesitate to do.

Quote: I try to stick with the facts the best I can. When somebody challenges facts they fall. That's life.

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It's really hard for me to filter the good from the bad at this point.


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"Do it right the first time" means the following: get your design and processes right before you start mass-producing your way into a recall catastrophe that affects many customers. A proper evaluation prevents this disaster. That's why I came here.

 

[supercoops]

Engineers worse enemy is their own unchecked arrogance, separates the true engineers from the ones who need to keep saying "I'm an Engineer".

No @waynem1983 You're not the only one.
You were told umpteen times in several threads that it might make a good brooder or breeding coop...everyone agreed that it was fine for a few chooks.

I listen pretty well. I remember one person objectively saying it would make a good brooder -- not umpteen. Please show me otherwise.

Also, I can show you numerous posts that say it's no good for any chickens at all. As I recall, one post even said the crates should be disassembled and trashed. So obviously, you don't know what you're talking about. It helps to listen before you speak.

 

[supercoops]

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I have 23 chickens. They are healthy. I started out with 24 and lost one when a bunch of chickens tipped over a barrel.

I have 17 chickens that choose to stay inside one, even during the day

So? ok .. see next post.

 

[supercoops]

Why do you keep switching between the amount of chickens you own, and how the one chick died?

OK, I think I understand what you are asking now. More than one person said there was no way chickens would stay in such a small box. I took pictures of several chickens that chose to stay in the box, and I disregarded all the other information they had to say. Exaggeration destroys credibility. I'm sorry, but that's life.

 

[supercoops]

Also, am I the only person that sees the irony in "desgin it right the first time" in a thread titled " coop design part 2"?

"Design it right the first time" is rather unrealistic in many cases. We no longer drive T model Fords, watch tube televisions, or fly in biplane aircraft, but on a forum like this one you are probably right. Those things would break the irony meter around here.

 

[21hens-incharge]

I concluded that a while back and confirmed it with a professional breeder back in post 55. It's only good for 2 or 3 chickens.







Actually I'm both. I have a 4 year degree in business administration with an accounting major along with my engineering degree. I've used them equally in my last 25 years of professional employment. Do continue.






I try to stick with the facts the best I can. When somebody challenges facts they fall. That's life.


It's really hard for me to filter the good from the bad at this point.



"Do it right the first time" means the following: get your design and processes right before you start mass-producing your way into a recall catastrophe that affects many customers. A proper evaluation prevents this disaster. That's why I came here.

Seriously your own item included above and originally placed where you were defending keeping 17 in the box clearly has a requirement of more space than you were allowing. I think it came to like 6" x 6" for your birds when I did the math before.
This leads me to believe that you are NOT basing your expectations on the "peer-reviewed studies about space requirements like those published by University of Maryland."

By you continuing to be hostile in your responses to suggestions and defending your position so aggressively it is clear to me that even though you are defending it you know it is incorrect. It is a classic response.

I did see where you have had issues with the health of your flock. Perhaps the people on here that have kept chickens for many years are not so wrong after all.

 

[21hens-incharge]

OK, I think I understand what you are asking now. More than one person said there was no way chickens would stay in such a small box. I took pictures of several chickens that chose to stay in the box, and I disregarded all the other information they had to say. Exaggeration destroys credibility. I'm sorry, but that's life.

Perhaps they "chose" to stay in that box because they had no where else to go.

 

[Tatianna]

It is really important to remember this above all things.....YOU CAME TO US.

 

[Tatianna]

This forum is not a platform for criticism....stop the thread.