Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[Phage]

How is this guy for coloring?
Too much color I trust...

 

[nicalandia]

Excellent what you did here!

I have edited and added more info.. you may want to check it back...

 

[lonnyandrinda]

This has been posted as showing the difference between correct and incorrect coloring in the UK CL circles, "gold" being on the left and "cream" being on the right. I agree this looks more like a silver to me but I know nothing about feather colors or genetics.




My PERSONAL feelings- I love starting with the British standard AS A STARTING POINT but given what we have in stock to work with (and the fact that I like their look better) I would rather see the push towards an American Cream Legbar, one with more color allowed. There IS such a thing as TOO MUCH color, but I like a little of the chestnut in the saddle (which is not allowed in the British standard) and a decent amount in the shoulders and back, more than "some chestnut permissible." I will happily go along with whatever is decided and will deal with breeding to standard- but as I do have a preference I suppose now is the time to let it be known if it has a chance of influencing the standard!

Rinda

 

[nicalandia]

How is this guy for coloring?
Too much color I trust...

one of the issue you may face with the barring gene is, two copies of the gene will give you lighter colored roos, But one copy of barring will give you darker roos, I belive this birds carry Autosomal Red but lack Mahogany, Mahogany will give you very rich colored shoulders...

 

[blackbirds13]

The pictures on that site were taken with a flash so they are probably quite a bit washed out and definitely not true to the color of the actual bird.

 

[lonnyandrinda]

Another person also made that connection:

"I believe a lot of dark cockerels (one barring copy) are being used, with not enough colour in them i.e. Chestnut and Autosomal red, this leads to non barred offspring and light chested females.

The standard is quite misleading, in that it says the @#!*% 's should be with "dark grey barring" to some this is taken that the bird should be dark, but to breed correctly he needs two copies of the barring gene, so this inevitably gives him a much lighter look as with any male barred or cuckoo breed. However in between the two copies of barring they should have dark grey bars."

Source: http://www.practicalpoultry.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1348647931/2

There are pictures there but I am not a member so I can't see them.

 

[nicalandia]

Basically I need to visually understand what the base color of the Cream Legbar is (the phenotype) before the barring gene does its thing. The genotype formula would be helpful too.

let me see if I can help you here...

Clean Silver Duckwing Leghorn(no autosomal Red or Mahogany at all)


Silver Duckwing Leghorn showing Autosomal Red on its Shoulder..


Golden(S/s+) Duckwing Leghorn Showing autosomal red





Cream(recessive Cream ig and gold) Leghorn


Brown Leghorn(gold duckwing)





Dark Brown Leghonr roo(based on eb and with mahogany and other red enhancers)



Cream vs Golden(should have about the same golden tone on hackle and saddles, there are a few difference, wing bay on golden is white/silver colored, on Cream birds is cream colored)





now a Red enhanced(autosomal red and Mahogany) Silver bird as example, keep in mind the Wing Bay color.


this bird has been red enhanced but its wing bay is still silver colored... thats how you can tell a silver duckwing looking bird from a cream duckwing looking bird, salmon faverolles are wildtype wheaten and for for all intent and purposes a duckwing bird


a better Silver Duckwing Male showing the power of Mahogany and with a white/silver Wing Bay(BBR and Duckwing aswell as Crow wing are phenotype not genotype, wildytpe e+ is a genotype)

 

[nicalandia]

The pictures on that site were taken with a flash so they are probably quite a bit washed out and definitely not true to the color of the actual bird.

the hens on the same pic look cream...

 

[ChicKat]

There used to be a saying that 'quick and dirty, is always dirty and never quick'.

Here is my idea for a logo for the club. I'll bet that the photoshop experts could do the samething better--but I wanted to put my idea out for some others to work with. I think it even matches the requirement that Omaeve mentioned about being recognizable. I stood across the room and it looked pretty recognizable to me.

http://www.ias.ac.in/jarch/jgenet/41/1.pdf This is where I used magnetic lasso to get the outlines for sillouttes.

Here is the draft. I think among other things it needs...a black outline to the oval, the name of the club, some variations on the blue---our eggs are blue but not that blue--- and some general clean up. I will work on that as time permits....but anyone else, (of course) feel free to use the link above, use this jpeg (i can send it to you if you wish) and/or your own thoughts to put some logo ideas in the running. It is meant to be solid black -- and can easily be horizontally flipped to reverse side of roo and hen -- etc



Not sure if any other poultry clubs use sillouettes, (spelling that wrong aren't I)--- but even if they do, they wouldn't be these cream legbar illustrations as the starting points. I'm thinking the blue is too aggressive. Any rearrangement etc. is fair game to all the artistic types out there....

ETA - wow, I hadn't see Blackbirds13 sample logo when I posted this---and I think that one is very nice! Good work.

ETA2 - now that I look at it -- the hen is too big. She needs to be smaller by about 10 to 20% I think.

 

[lonnyandrinda]

I like having both the hen and the roo on the logo, so I think an oval format works better than the round. Plus I felt the round too closely mimicked the Ameraucana logo. Not to discount blackbirds work- maybe combining the two with the black ring and the wording as she had them? Just my two cents.

Rinda