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Amazing bantams!No, it does not have good Leghorn type. I see a huge difference even though the photo angle is not the greatest. Look at the two illustrations above posted by GaryDean.......that is what good Leghorns should look like although today they have more tail in the males. This is one of my bantams, but you see all the extra tail in this shot. He also has his wings low as her tries to pick a fight with his coop mate.
The correct type for you folks is in GaryDeans illustrations. Dont worry about trying to make a big bird. Todays Leghorns as noted are overweight. There are no scales at a show so some judges go with these monster birds.....they shouldn't. Once chickens get too big the males start to have leg problems and the hens have laying problems......you don't want any of this. These problems are what ultimately keep the birds from getting too big. They get too big and they can't reproduce.....that takes care of the problem. And I can't see these getting too big any time soon.
Walt
Way to go FMP!!This are some of the best type I have seen so far. They are not rounded (in the pictures) in the lower breast but this is a good start. They probably look better in real life.
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Amazing bantams!
If you organize this I can bring a male and female Leghorn with excellent type to show the finer points of the shape.
Walt
This is a learning moment.
Who noticed that the earlobes are nice ovals. Who noticed the width of feather in the tail? Who noticed the wing carriage? The first two are subtle....to you, but not to me. I am hoping that this will raise awareness to how every little thing is there to see if you know what to look for. I remember taking a girl on a date as a teenager. I brought her to some tide pools and we looked into them. She could only see water and I saw a bustling community. You train your eye to look for things once you are aware that they are there.
Walt
To me, I noticed that the wings looked like a game bantams but that has to do with the overall stance, I figured it was because of the other rooster next to him. From what I have read on feather width is that most warm climate birds (leghorns, minorcas, oriental games) should have thinner feathers because they are from a warm climate. Generally you want the cold weather breeds (rocks, orpingtons, faverolles) to have wider feathers to help trap body heat. That is what I have read and heard from some old breeders anyway.This is a learning moment.
Who noticed that the earlobes are nice ovals. Who noticed the width of feather in the tail? Who noticed the wing carriage? The first two are subtle....to you, but not to me. I am hoping that this will raise awareness to how every little thing is there to see if you know what to look for. I remember taking a girl on a date as a teenager. I brought her to some tide pools and we looked into them. She could only see water and I saw a bustling community. You train your eye to look for things once you are aware that they are there.
Walt
To me, I noticed that the wings looked like a game bantams but that has to do with the overall stance, I figured it was because of the other rooster next to him. From what I have read on feather width is that most warm climate birds (leghorns, minorcas, oriental games) should have thinner feathers because they are from a warm climate. Generally you want the cold weather breeds (rocks, orpingtons, faverolles) to have wider feathers to help trap body heat. That is what I have read and heard from some old breeders anyway.
I know what you mean about the details though. When I used to be big into saltwater tanks, I had many small fish, lots of different corals and sponges everywhere. When most people looked at it, they saw the rock work, the large tang, an anemone, but that was about it. To me, I noticed all the tiny zoanthids, the small cleaner fish, hermit crabs, baby snails, the whole picture.
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The people that are committed to this breed know what the flaws are in their lines, what they need to correct, how they should correct it. I have been reading every page on this thread, and on both the other main legbar threads, and that is the impression "I" have gotten.
Is anyone "there" yet with regards to type? No they aren't, but they are getting there, generation by generation. People are improving the outline, the framework, the type, of the birds they have. Just because people are not speaking in show speak doesn't mean they don't know what they see, can't see what they have and see where they need to go.
Did anyone read my intro? I said there that I don't do the political correctness thing. And I also don't do the appeal to authority fallacy either. Suggesting the Chicken University thread IS helpful, yes, and I plan heading there when I have caught up on this thread. No one ever knows everything, and a good breeder is always learning new things, a better interpretation of what they already knew, or a better way of doing things they have done, or completely new innovations in that world, be that world chickens, rabbits, or fancy mice.
Do I really think everyone here has a good idea on how to correct some of the type flaws? YES, Yes I do. And those that are not have a wealth of knowledge to draw on both here and across the pond. The internet is an amazing thing, and while not everything is real, true, or should be believed, it's not that hard to look at winning birds and extrapolate from that where you need to go with YOUR flock. That's because I believe that when someone is committed to something, they work, they learn and then they DO.
I would never disparage someone in the trenches, doing the work, and getting their experience that way because they don't speak the right words in my opinion. These are the people that might just show up with an unknown horse, pulled in a trailer hitched to a pick up truck, and leave the academics in the dust the way one Kentucky Derby winner did in recent history.
LaBella,I disagree.
I think that the reason that type isn't being discussed, is everyone has a pretty good idea of what the type should be, they have a pretty good idea of the physical flaws in combs, earlobes, tails and so forth, as well as how to correct them and everyone is in agreement about these things. The color keeps coming up, because there is no clear consensus on what the color is supposed to be.
If everyone is clear on type and is in agreement on type, of course it's not going to come up. Type has pretty much been settled. Color has not. You know the squeaky wheel gets the grease, well, color is the squeaky wheel.