Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[TheTropix]

Congratulations to the chick contest winners! This little boy and girl hatched this morning, along with 2 other girls. : )

 

[dretd]

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I don't doubt his expertise in the least but will email him about that for clarification. I think he may have been speaking about the breeds separately but not clearly so. He did go on to mention the Gold Legbar and introduction of the Araucana. If you read the additional piece below you will see that there are spots that the language was not as clear but the gist is there. I was only posting as I found it interesting, as the way I read his email was that the gentlemen were not interested in standardizing the bird and that fell onto others to do, so that may account for the variations in the SOP that we do not allow here, and maybe speaks to some of the issues that flyingmonkeypoop mentioned about above. He does not raise Cream Legbars but offered to see if another gentleman just a bit younger than him would be willing to write a bit on the Cream Legbar for me, with an emphasis on color. The other gentleman does not email so I'm hopeful.

"While the Gold-Legbar had s much Leghorn as possible the late introduction of Araucana that at that time was not standardised was because Punnet was fascinated by the strain he had' CHICK DOWN colour. latter the breed was rather than use more Araucana to Legbar's retaining blue egg and auto-sex-ing. None of the original team were that interested in showing all they waned was an easy sexing chick and utility breed type of the original non barred breed."

He sounded very interested in what we were doing with the introduction of the Legbar here and calls himself 'one of poultries has beens' but I have enjoyed our short correspondence very much so far.

He sounds very charming. I hope that you will continue to report on your conversations with him and his contacts. So much good information can be had if we take the time to listen to those that lived it. Wonderful.

 

[dretd]

Congratulations to the chick contest winners! This little boy and girl hatched this morning, along with 2 other girls. : )

Congratulations on your hatch! Keep us posted on how your little roo feathers out. No ambiguous chicks here!

 

[TheTropix]

Thank you, Dretd!!
They're out of a pullet that started laying a little while back, so it was time to see what her babies would be. I put her with my best rooster. I will gladly keep you (y'all) posted on how he grows up. I'll tell you now, though, I'm not breeding toward no color. I like some color... that's part of what attracted me to them. (and why I don't have barred rocks, cuckoo Marans, or other visually black/dk gray and white chickens lol)

 

[dretd]

They're out of a pullet that started laying a little while back, so it was time to see what her babies would be. I put her with my best rooster. I will gladly keep you (y'all) posted on how he grows up. I'll tell you now, though, I'm not breeding toward no color. I like some color... that's part of what attracted me to them. (and why I don't have barred rocks, cuckoo Marans, or other visually black/dk gray and white chickens lol)

I think that you should breed what makes you happy--it will only be a problem if you want to do a lot of showing. Hopefully once the SOP is finished and we get the Cream Legbars accepted into the APA SOP, we can develop several color varieties including the Crele (or Ginger or light brown) for all of the non-cream but otherwise nice legbars out there.

My 13 year old artist would have me point out that black and white are colors too

My goal is to make sure that I am breeding birds that are Cream based as they are Cream Legbars--some chestnut is acceptable and I will not work to remove the chestnut as long as they are Cream--there are many other problems with type, comb etc that are a higher priority for me to work on.

 

[TheTropix]

@ Dretd,
LOL Point well taken about black and white being colors. But I believe they are, in their pure form, neutral aren't they? I think they're the only 2 'colors' you can not achieve by blending the primary colors. However, that still gets a big kudos for your 13 yr old artist! (I love drawing, pencil/charcoal are my favorite!!)
I'm with you on keeping some of the chestnut.. if you look real close it's a gorgeous color! lol My idea of the cream, for my birds, leans toward the pale butter side, like KP's reply from the UK was. Cream.. the nightmare color!!! hahahhahaha My visual experience with what 'cream' was before CLs would have been more along the line of Cream Brabanters, then the pics of the CLs on Greenfire's site last year, which weren't as 'white' as the pics they show now.

 

[WHmarans]

I saw some pictures of legbars on the cream legbar club site but based on what's been discussed here im wondering if they are cream or not and were they selected because they are good examples? Or can we not really evaluate them here one way or the other? But I guess I'm really just wanting to see a picture of the right color (female) and the right body shape even if not on the same example. The picture of greenfires new rooster was a big help in the roo side. (I think)

 

[lonnyandrinda]

I saw some pictures of legbars on the cream legbar club site but based on what's been discussed here im wondering if they are cream or not and were they selected because they are good examples? Or can we not really evaluate them here one way or the other? But I guess I'm really just wanting to see a picture of the right color (female) and the right body shape even if not on the same example. The picture of greenfires new rooster was a big help in the roo side. (I think)

The "photo gallery" on the club website are just submissions from members, no claims to quality or genetics. Just a place for the members to see what types of things other club members have for now. There are going to be some great photos of good birds in the club handbook, which should be going out in a mass club e-mail within a week.

 

[dretd]

Question: How many folks with Cream Legbars plan on either showing their birds or putting up displays about Cream Legbars at poultry chows in 2014?

I am not sure that I will be ready to show anything in 2014 given that my breeding program will not be up and hatching until early 2014. Maybe the State Fair in August if I am lucky. I am thinking about starting to attend poultry shows to get the lay of the land in preparation. In looking for shows to check out, I ran across this: http://www.poultryshowcentral.com/Chickens.html

They are listing Cream Legbars under Legbar in 'All Other Standard Breeds' class and not 'English' class. However, of the two chicken pictures on the page, one is of a Cream Legbar--Jill Rees's hen Lillian.

 

[Pozees]

Question: How many folks with Cream Legbars plan on either showing their birds or putting up displays about Cream Legbars at poultry chows in 2014?

I am not sure that I will be ready to show anything in 2014 given that my breeding program will not be up and hatching until early 2014. Maybe the State Fair in August if I am lucky. I am thinking about starting to attend poultry shows to get the lay of the land in preparation. In looking for shows to check out, I ran across this: http://www.poultryshowcentral.com/Chickens.html

They are listing Cream Legbars under Legbar in 'All Other Standard Breeds' class and not 'English' class. However, of the two chicken pictures on the page, one is of a Cream Legbar--Jill Rees's hen Lillian.

I am behind you but hope to have a few to show next year. I would recommend the Colorado Poultry Association show, which I think is shortly after the State Fair, and I think there might be one prior to State Fair as well. I know I went to one of three that I could have attended, just to look around, it was the last one (all at the Fairgrounds), this put on by the Pikes Peak Poultry Club and hardly any chickens, no notice to State NPIP folks so no testing, kind of a bummer really - lots and lots of rabbits at that one, but only a couple of dozen chickens. I am only about 20 minutes from the Fairgrounds so at least I hadn't traveled to be disappointed