Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[nicalandia]

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Thats correct, Moderately sized comb and a moderate sized crest will allow for nice straight combs on males.. and also avoid breeding from males that show bad combs... I will post some pics...

 

[WHmarans]

That is NOT the rooster that I showed on Saturday.  He is one that we hatch back in 2010 that we lost to the summer heat when he was about 9 month old.  My wife posted him on a non-chicken location to show what I was taking to the show because we didn't have any current photos of the cockerel we took and didn't think any non-chicken people would really know the difference. 

We have been very happy with the egg color.  Of the 9 hens that we saved from the cockerels hatch group for evaluation (from two bloodlines) we have one that is laying #8, three that are laying 6-7, and the rest are 5's with the exception of one that is laying a #4 which will be rehomed in the spring. The other 8 hens from his hatch group will be in laying flocks until we evaluate for breeders at the end of the summer.

GaryDean26 I would love to get some hatching eggs. If you are selling them would you let me know?

 

[chicken pickin]

GrayDean I would love to get some hatching eggs. If you are selling them would you let me know?

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[chicken pickin]

I tried to get a pic of my roosters wing this morn but it didn't come out very well trying to do it alone lol I had a hard time trying to spread his wing. I will have to have DH help me get a better pic.

 

[nicalandia]

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Thats correct, Moderately sized comb and a moderate sized crest will allow for nice straight combs on males.. and also avoid breeding from males that show bad combs...

I will post some pics...

here take a look a this male comb and creast.. one should aim to have a moderate sized comb and moderate sized creast..

the Jill Rees's line while good color has a moderate sized creast(good) but not so good comb....
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[dretd]

here take a look a this male comb and creast.. one should aim to have a moderate sized comb and moderate sized creast..

This handsome roo is clearly not a Cream Legbar--maybe an Icelandic? Could you please tell us what breed he is and please also label your photos so there is no confusion (this being a CL working SOP thread and all)? Thanks!

 

[nicalandia]

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this is not the first time I post this male on this very thread... Source: https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...oup-standard-of-perfection/2280#post_12524427 the male is a Sulmtaler a breed from Austria and green Fire Farms have them http://greenfirefarms.com/store/category/chickens/sulmtaler the purpose of the Pic was to show that with a moderate sized comb and creast one can have a good looking bird... and this male looks just like a Cream Creasted Legbar should look without barring...

 

[WHmarans]

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this is not the first time I post this male on this very thread... Source: https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...oup-standard-of-perfection/2280#post_12524427 the male is a Sulmtaler a breed from Austria and green Fire Farms have them http://greenfirefarms.com/store/category/chickens/sulmtaler the purpose of the Pic was to show that with a moderate sized comb and creast one can have a good looking bird... and this male looks just like a Cream Creasted Legbar should look without barring...

Helpful point well made with this pic thanks.

 

[TurnipTruck]

That is NOT the rooster that I showed on Saturday. He is one that we hatch back in 2010 that we lost to the summer heat when he was about 9 month old. My wife posted him on a non-chicken location to show what I was taking to the show because we didn't have any current photos of the cockerel we took and didn't think any non-chicken people would really know the difference.

My apologies... It appears that I am guilty of not knowing what you were showing. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused. I guess in the future I will let you post the pictures of your birds. :-$

 

[dretd]

this is not the first time I post this male on this very thread... Source: https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...oup-standard-of-perfection/2280#post_12524427


the male is a Sulmtaler a breed from Austria and green Fire Farms have them http://greenfirefarms.com/store/category/chickens/sulmtaler

the purpose of the Pic was to show that with a moderate sized comb and creast one can have a good looking bird... and this male looks just like a Cream Creasted Legbar should look without barring...

Forgive me, I simply cannot keep track of all of the photos posted by everyone on a thread that is 247 pages long and I appreciate the labeling on every photo. It will also help those that are dropping in that have not read all of the posts. Thank you.

Your point that you can have a straight comb and a crest all in the same rooster, is well taken. I suspect some of the problem comes from Cream Legbars being derived from the Leghorn which has a very large comb to begin with. I Googled the Sulmtaler (a landrace breed from Austria that has had infusions of Dorking, Houdan and Cochin) and their combs seem overall smaller than the CL and I think more importantly the blade diverges away from the skull instead of following the line of back of the neck, without touching as is the case in the cream Legbar.

Here is the Cream Legbar male proposed SOP http://www.creamlegbarclub.com/29-draft-standard-of-perfection-revision-2 : Comb: Single; large, fine in texture, straight and upright, deeply and evenly serrated with six distinct points, extending well over the back of the head and following, without touching, the line of the head, free from side spikes, thumb-marks or twists.

Here is what the Sulmtaler Club http://www.sulmtalerusa.com/breed.html has to say about the comb: (Netherlands) Comb: Single, moderately large, upright, evenly serrated with 4-6 points (not too deep). Hens have a small fold in the front of the comb, this can cause the front of the comb to be not entirely tight. (American version) Comb: simple, medium size, uniform with four to six points not to deeply cut; blade rising slightly. Female Comb: Single, medium sized, evenly serrated, pronounced s-shape in the front.

So looking at the breed standards as written, the Cream Legbar and the Sulmtaler, though both crested single combed birds, are very different. The standard for the Sulmtaler, by having the blade rising upward and having it be of medium size (note that the Americans have changed the wording from the Netherlands to make the comb medium instead of medium large) is avoiding the problem created by a large comb that is required to follow the line of the head.