Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[nicalandia]

then the very best babies to grow out for breeding are those in which the sexual dimorphism is extremely evident when they are first hatched.

this also should be in the SOP

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

this also should be in the SOP

Isn't there mention of down color somewhere in the British standard?

 

[redchicken9]

ALL of this males are Heterozygous for Barring(B/b+) please report their progress as they grow

thanks for the pics, they will educate alot of people in the future

Nicalandia, these 4 are girls. The little head dots are mentioned in the UK standards for female down. Not sure what to think here!

 

[KPenley]

The breed standard is as follows:
Origin: British

Classification: Light

Egg Colour: Blue, Green or Olive

General Characteristics:

Male

Carriage : Very sprightly and alert, with no suggestion of stiltiness.

Type: Body wedge shaped, wide at the shoulders and narrowing slightly to root of tail. Back long, flat and sloping slightly to the tail. Breast prominent, and breast bone straight. Wings large, carried tightly and well tucked up. Tail moderately full at an angle of 45 degrees from the line of the back.

Head: Fine. Beak stout, point clear of the front of the comb. Eyes prominent. Comb single, perfectly straight and erect, large but not overgrown, deeply and evenly serrated (5 to 7 spikes broad at the base), extending well beyond back of the head and following, without touching, the line of the head, free from ‘thumb marks’ or side spikes. Face smooth. Ear-lobes well developed, pendent, smooth and free from folds, equally matched in size and shape. Wattles long and thin.

Neck: Long and profusely covered with feathers.

Legs and Feet: Legs moderately long. Shanks strong, round and free of feathers. Flat shins objectionable. Toes, four, long, straight and well spread.

Plumage: Of silky texture, free from coarse or excessive feather.

Handling: Firm with abundance of muscle.

Female

The general characteristics are similar to those of the male, allowing for the natural sexual differences, except that the comb may be erect or falling gracefully over either side of the face without obstructing the eyesight, and the tail should be carried closely and not at such a high angle.

Male: Neck hackles cream, sparsely barred. Saddle hackles cream, barred with dark grey, tipped with cream. Back and shoulders cream with dark grey barring, some chestnut permissible. Wings, primaries dark grey, faintly barred, some white permissible; secondaries dark grey more clearly marked; coverts grey barred, tips cream, some chestnut smudges permissible. Breast evenly barred dark grey, well defined outline. Tail evenly barred grey, sickles being paler, some whit feather permissible. Crest cream and grey, some chestnut permissible.

Female: Neck hackles cream, softly barred grey. Breast salmon, well defined in outline. Body silver grey, with rather indistinct broad soft barring. Wings, primaries grey-peppered; secondaries very faintly barred; coverts silver grey. Tail silver grey, faintly barred. Crest cream and grey, some chestnut permissible.

In both sexes: Beak yellow. Eyes orange or red. Comb, face, and wattles red. Ear-lobes pure opaque, white or cream, slight pink markings not unduly to handicap an otherwise good male. Legs and feet yellow.

Weights
Male 2.70-3.40kg (6-7lb)
Female 2-2.70kg (4-6lb)

Serious defects:
Male's comb twisted or falling over, Ear-lobes wholly red. Any white in face. Legs other than orange, yellow or light willow. Squirrel tail.

Disqualifications:
Side sprigs on comb. Eye pupil other than round and clearly defined. Crooked breast. Wry tail. Any bodily deformity.

Scale of points:
Type 30
Colour 20
Head 20
Legs 10
Condition 10
Weight 10
100

I don't see a reference to chick coloring or down here. Am I missing something? Or is there a link to a UK standard including chicks? Thanks so much in advance!

 

[redchicken9]

Also here's the standards for the cream legbar chicks!

Female: Silver-grey type. The stripe should be very dark brown, extending over the head, neck and rump. The edges of the strip should be clearly defined, not blurred and blending with the ground colour - the sharper the contrast, especially over the rump, the better. The strip should be broad; a narrow or discontinuous strip should be avoided. A light head patch should be visible, clearly defined in outline, showing up brightly against the dark background.

Male: The down is much paler in tint, the pattern being blurred and washed out from head to rump; it may be described as pale silvery-slate.

 

[nicalandia]

Also here's the standards for the cream legbar chicks!

A light head patch should be visible, clearly defined in outline, showing up brightly against the dark background.

let me check further on this point as Rhodebard female chicks lack this trait...

oh can you provide the source for your info?

rhodebar chicks(e+/e+ B/B with red enhancers and Co)




here more Cream legbar chicks and sexing them


source http://creamlegbarchicks.blogspot.com/

 

[redchicken9]

let me check further on this point as Rhodebard female chicks lack this trait...

oh can you provide the source for your info?

source http://creamlegbarchicks.blogspot.com/

My source on the headspots in females is the British Poultry Standards, sixth edition, edited by Victoria Roberts. Blackwell Publishing, in association with the Poultry Club of Great Britain. Subtitle is Complete specifications and judging points of all standardized breeds and variety of poultry as compiled by the specialist Breed Clubs and recognised by the Poultry Club of Great Britain.

The adult standards were copied from a website via others. I'm thinking that this is still a good site for comments, but that we need a site for documents and photos. What do others think? I'm starting to have a bear of a time going back to find information, but I like that the thinking process is here. I want to comment on more recent posts, but today is very busy.

 

[fowlman01]

I guess this thread has been in action a little over a week, and we have covered a lot of ground.

redchicken9 has done a lot of work along with the help of participants in this thread to move toward a draft SOP that could be used for USA cream legbars.

Please fill in what I have left out:

1. SOP should not be so unachievable that all our birds are excluded (I think Walt provided this insight)
2. SOP isn't where we are, but where we are aiming to be (borrowed from another club)
3. some wording from the UK will need to be changed for the USA, and the format for the eventual SOP will match the requirements of the APA
4. Among the changes we will most likely drop 'olive eggs' from the characteristics of the cream legbar in the USA

blackbirds13 has designed some home-run logo choices for the club, and another example or two may filter in by the time that the club wants to vote.

I said I would put together something that could be worked from -- within the week for a goal for the club--

ETA - for revision and word smithing I have assembled this for the group's additions and subtractions to:


The Mission of the American Cream Legbar Club is to promote and preserve as well as educate about the breed of Chicken developed by R.C. Punnett that is an autosexing, blue-egg-laying, and crested light fowl.

Club Goals include:

• Working toward application for recognition by the APA using standards that have been adapted from the British standards
• Estabilshing the first Chicken Pedigree Database to track the chicken background and genetics of cream legbar chickens
• Establish support between owners of cream legbars which are first developed by Punnett

some folks on Yahoo Cream Legbar are working on the history of the birds...and folks from this forum are invited over there to participate.....

Tentatively redchicken9 said that a draft of a SOP or at the least summaries of the ideas from this group would be ready in 30-days or so....which is a reasonable time line considering how much discussion has been raised in this thread thus far. I think everyone needs to understand too---that the draft that is produced is probably the place the club will start from to continue to refine within the Cream Legbar Club.

Also:
cut and pasted from post 309, Laingcroft has said that there is parallel work going on for those who want to go to Yahoo groups and participate. Here is the quote:


Wow! I've been away for a weekend w/out internet access and this thread has just exploded!

While I catch up on the fifteen new pages of information, I'd like to add that I've just opened a yahoo group for those of us working on specific documents i.e. standard, history and club formation stuff which is getting buried here. The group is titled US Cream Legbar Club Working Group since I didn't want to use the "official" club name until we have one. I've set the group for initial membership approval and for first postings to prevent spam bots. Just reference BYC in the request to join so I know you're part of this working group. Please post drafts with date and author to the files section so everyone knows which copies have been superceded. Hopefully this will make specific docs/drafts easier to find and work with while those wishing to toss ideas and discuss in general can continue here.

There is also another group I forgot I had joined several months back called the Cream Legbar Breeders. Some folks there, who may also be here, have recently begun working on a Legbar history. They may be interested in joining this discussion as well.


ETA = last and not least....if redchicken9 feels that club formation is hijacking the thread...then club formation can be moved elsewhere....and perhaps the Yahoo group that Laingcroft recommends is the place. Otherwise...perhaps - information from that group could be reported back here. I'm thinking that the SOP and the club would go hand in hand........

so---what is still left to be done.

Your 4 points should work as they relate to the APA. This is a very organized effort. Great to see!!

Walt

 

[redchicken9]

ChicKat said, While I catch up on the fifteen new pages of information, I'd like to add that I've just opened a yahoo group for those of us working on specific documents i.e. standard, history and club formation stuff which is getting buried here. The group is titled US Cream Legbar Club Working Group since I didn't want to use the "official" club name until we have one. I've set the group for initial membership approval and for first postings to prevent spam bots. Just reference BYC in the request to join so I know you're part of this working group. Please post drafts with date and author to the files section so everyone knows which copies have been superceded. Hopefully this will make specific docs/drafts easier to find and work with while those wishing to toss ideas and discuss in general can continue here.


Problem solved. ChicKat, I'll head there to populate the UK standards tomorrow. Am out of action for a day or so! Enjoy seeing how this is coming together. Thanks again, Fowlman01 for the presence!

 

[ChicKat]

Hi all and redchicken9 -- I was just quoting there....I didn't set up Yahoo groups, but keeping track of documents and the various versions will be helpful as we go forward.

Walt--thanks for being our guiding light. Has the APA meeting already occurred? It is difficult to find what was back there somewhere in the thread. today or tomorrow I will do some re-reading too and see what things need to be brought forward.

Thanks to one and all for all the good ideas and contributions!!