Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[Laingcroft]

Sorry I've been away for awhile. Life takes over sometimes!

Still have to catch up on all the recent versions of the Standard --- great work folks!

I've also posted a first Draft of a club constitution and by-laws on the working yahoo group. If you want to view it, it is in the files section. You will have to join the group first. I set it up that way to avoid spam-bots. Also, if anyone wants to assist as a moderator, please let me know. I don't have a lot of time to monitor it on my own.

If you want to add comments, please number your document as Revision No. whatever.

Here is the web addy: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/USCreamLegbarclubworkgroup/?yguid=330562600


Oops, forgot to add that there are two forms of the Draft - one is MS Word 2010 and the other is MS Word 97-03 compatible. If you prefer to receive an email attachment, then send a PM with your email and I can forward ---- but this won't help much with seeing people's comments and/or markups.

 

[Hangtown Farms]

Could this be because they change quite a lot as they grow out? Is it possible that the biggest appearance differences are due to the age of the cockerels?

To my eyes they show quite a lot of uniformity if the bird of the same age of development is compared with another one. Obviously I'm not a poultry judge, -- and we are going by a split second photograph here which makes it more difficult to compare apples to apples....

A very young clb male looks a lot different from the older cockerel, but comparing cohorts with the same age -- they look a lot alike to me. Would it be easy to point out some of the things I am missing? Thanks.

if they grow out anything like my crele penedesenca they probably will look different depending on the age and even bird as they grow the birds almost seem to look different daily

 

[redchicken9]

if they grow out anything like my crele penedesenca they probably will look different depending on the age and even bird as they grow the birds almost seem to look different daily

Looking back, you can see where the color on these four males is going. They arrived March 1, first set of photos shown here is March 7, March 18, then May 10, then later. If you click once on the photo, it will enlarge and you can look one after another in gallery view. I did the photos for KPenley and a few others who had asked, oh, so long ago. Blackbirds13 advice was to look at the wing color, so do folks think you can see rust or gold in the wings at an early age? or a lighter tone? I think so.


Charles: #4 roo (below)












A month, then another month later.





Henry: #3 roo (below)













Late Summer:



Jack: #2 roo (deceased)(below)














Little older:




James: #1 roo

 

[Hangtown Farms]

Looking back, you can see where the color on these four males is going. They arrived March 1, first set of photos shown here is May 10. If you click on once on the photo, it will enlarge and you can look one after another in gallery view. If time permits, tomorrow I'll add in earlier chick photos.



A month later to late summer.



















Late Summer:














Little older:

nice yes that is what I meant. redchicken9 what part of norcal are you from?

 

[redchicken9]

nice yes that is what I meant. redchicken9 what part of norcal are you from?

Between Marysville and Grass Valley.

 

[redchicken9]

Updated post 623!!

Since Blackbirds13 has shared some of her breeding plans, here are what mine looks like to date.

My lightest roo was/ is the #4 rooster. Knowing what I do today, I might have made my first choices different. Can anyone tell me, what is harder to breed for a correct color earlobe or the correct color plumage? Before reading and trying to learn the standards, and based on having red earlobes, his personality, photos of other roos at prominent breeders, and my personal color preference at the time, I gave my #4 roo to a friend, who gave him to a friend. However, I think I am raising a few of his offspring. He was 1 of 2 roos with my B line prior to re-homing. I carry 2 flocks, A and B, so this is one way I manage genetic diversity. I plan to keep female offspring with female lineage (mom, grandmas, aunts, sisters) and rotate male offspring, as I improve each flock. I read about it as a breed style option in The Small Scale Poultry Flock by Harvey Ussery, which I do recommend for those interested. If I remember correctly if you carry a flock of three you should be able to do this to the end of time. With two flocks, I believe it's many decades. The other choice I've made is to build trap nesting boxes, also shown in the Harvey Ussery book. From this point, when I have the time and choose, I can track my mama's offspring (not just the dads). Like all new things, this could change and improve. Current plans are to move my flock towards cream and/or bluer eggs. Ok, enough for now! Thanks all!

 

[KPenley]

Thank you so much redchicken9! Your pictures give me much direction in what to look for as my little guy grows.

 

[fowlman01]

Updated post 623!!

Since Blackbirds13 has shared some of her breeding plans, here are what mine looks like to date.

My lightest roo was/ is the #4 rooster. Knowing what I do today, I might have made my first choices different. Can anyone tell me, what is harder to breed for a correct color earlobe or the correct color plumage? Before reading and trying to learn the standards, and based on having red earlobes, his personality, photos of other roos at prominent breeders, and my personal color preference at the time, I gave my #4 roo to a friend, who gave him to a friend. However, I think I am raising a few of his offspring. He was 1 of 2 roos with my B line prior to re-homing. I carry 2 flocks, A and B, so this is one way I manage genetic diversity. I plan to keep female offspring with female lineage (mom, grandmas, aunts, sisters) and rotate male offspring, as I improve each flock. I read about it as a breed style option in The Small Scale Poultry Flock by Harvey Ussery, which I do recommend for those interested. If I remember correctly if you carry a flock of three you should be able to do this to the end of time. With two flocks, I believe it's many decades. The other choice I've made is to build trap nesting boxes, also shown in the Harvey Ussery book. From this point, when I have the time and choose, I can track my mama's offspring (not just the dads). Like all new things, this could change and improve. Current plans are to move my flock towards cream and/or bluer eggs. Ok, enough for now! Thanks all!

In this breed I would say the correct color would be harder to get than the color of the lobes. Trap nesting is an excellent idea. The only way to make forward progress is to know who the parents are of every bird you own. There are many ways to get to your destination, but all of them require good records and heavy culling. Toe punching the chicks is a very good way to have a permanent way to know the parents of the young. Whatever you do you need to keep track of the young. I don't breed from young birds...this is so that I know what they are really like. Sometimes birds change in the second year. You have to use what you have though.

Toe punching is done at hatch and the chicks don't even wince when this is done.


Walt

 

[redchicken9]

Thanks, Walt.
The touch punch I've seen, but not done. I did color ties on my original group. I like the ties because my poultry are a free range backyard flock and I can see the ties at a short distance. The disadvantage is while they are growing, you have to keep changing the ties. Later, I added numbers and lost a few number bands to begin with because the birds were still small and my bands for typical adults.
Now, my new 5 week old chicks, poor ragamuffins, not a photo, nor ties, they might become flock 3 or provide better roo(s). Next, which could be a few months out, I need to decide if I want to trace progeny of current pullets (7) or use judgement and reduce to a best of what I have into a breeding trio. I'd also like to get a sense of which gals have the best color eggs, as CL eggs are quite pretty. Blue eggs are a strong point of the breed. The photo below gives more color than actual. I'd say mine are faded sky blue with a hint of mint.
Not sure I have it in me to do the full monty on being a dedicated serious breeder, but little steps still count, right?

 

[nicalandia]

Looking back, you can see where the color on these four males is going. They arrived March 1, first set of photos shown here is March 7, March 18, then May 10, then later. If you click once on the photo, it will enlarge and you can look one after another in gallery view. I did the photos for KPenley and a few others who had asked, oh, so long ago. Blackbirds13 advice was to look at the wing color, so do folks think you can see rust or gold in the wings at an early age? or a lighter tone? I think so.


Charles: #4 roo (below)












A month, then another month later.





Henry: #3 roo (below)













Late Summer:



Jack: #2 roo (deceased)(below)














Little older:




James: #1 roo

Nice...